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quote:Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:Other than the built-up stern, I really like the exterior of this Vista/Spirit Class ship. The beefy funnel is attractive as is Costa's livery. Imagine her w/tiered aft decks and a slightly longer forecastle.
Other than the built-up stern, I really like the exterior of this Vista/Spirit Class ship. The beefy funnel is attractive as is Costa's livery. Imagine her w/tiered aft decks and a slightly longer forecastle.
I agree. The stern would look better if it wasn't so steep.
I also agree with Ernst though. A longer forecastle would ruin the balance of these ships. Often times people seem to think that a longer forecastle makes a ship look better but in many cases this is not true. Many ships would frankly look stupid with longer forecastles.
quote:Originally posted by Ernst:You do not seem to know much about engineering or design. In many cases people try to do what you describe above but this is not the right approach - one usually can not 'dress up' a design that is inherently bad.[ 08-23-2009: Message edited by: Ernst ]
You do not seem to know much about engineering or design. In many cases people try to do what you describe above but this is not the right approach - one usually can not 'dress up' a design that is inherently bad.
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quote:Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:Blah blah blah
It seems as if manners and a highly sophisticated and unexcelled sense for aesthetic forms do not always coincide. But then, I guess I am supposed to be one of the 'engineers, contractors and builders who could not care less'.
quote:Originally posted by Ernst:It seems as if manners and a highly sophisticated and unexcelled sense for aesthetic forms do not always coincide. But then, I guess I am supposed to be one of the 'engineers, contractors and builders who could not care less'.
I can usually tell when an expensive home I see is designed by a contractor (or builder) as opposed by a trained designer or highly skilled architect-w/knowledge of scale, proportion and correct building materials. The outcome is often ghastly. I'll tell you a little story. I was co-designing a French Normandy inspired residence in Pebble Beach several years ago. Half way through construction, the owner was told by the contractor to install vinyl coated windows (as opposed to the correct wood divided light windows) to save on maintenance being near the coast. Needless to say the outcome was horrendous and the next owner (a noted designer) spent over $250,000. installing the windows I had originally specified and the house was later featured in Architectural Digest-something that would never have happened w/the contractor's touches. I dealt w/contractors and builders for over 20-years and they usally don't get 'it'.
quote:Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:Imagine her w/tiered aft decks and a slightly longer forecastle.
The original design (as seen now on QUEEN VICTORIA and formerly on the first few ships of the series that have now been rebuilt) was, to my eye, never steep enough. I think NOORDAM strikes the right balance but this is not bad either, though somehow I like it less on EURODAM than on COSTA LUMINOSA.
As for the forecastle, I do not appreciate the "bump" that has been added, but again I think a longer one would not look right on this ship.
quote:Originally posted by Cam J:I dont understand why certain ones dont like the Vista Class Ships they certainly arent IMO bad looking.
quote:Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:For some reason I don't think aesthetics is important to you.
quote:Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:I have friends who are engineers and they have'nt a clue about scale, proportion (or what just looks good for that matter)-nothing wrong that as not everyone 'gets' it. That is why there are interior designers, architects and industrial designers who's job it is to make things pleasing to the eye and engineers, contractors, builders etc. who design the 'inards' and could'nt care less about what's on the outside.
If the basic structure of something is ugly, and you try to disguise that to make it better looking, chances are the end result will just look awkward.
Things that look good are usually designed that way from the start.
quote:Originally posted by dougnewman:Things that look good are usually designed that way from the start.
That is often true but there are exceptions. As an example a 1965 Buick Riviera (a classic 1963 design) was re-worked and the enhanced '65 version was far better looking than the original and is prized by more collectors than the '63.
quote:Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:I can usually tell when an expensive home I see is designed by a contractor (or builder) as opposed by a trained designer or highly skilled architect-w/knowledge of scale, proportion and correct building materials. [...] I dealt w/contractors and builders for over 20-years and they usally don't get 'it'.
I can usually tell when an expensive home I see is designed by a contractor (or builder) as opposed by a trained designer or highly skilled architect-w/knowledge of scale, proportion and correct building materials. [...] I dealt w/contractors and builders for over 20-years and they usally don't get 'it'.
Do you really think that a passenger ship is designed and engineered by 'contractors and builders' like those who build residential houses?
quote:Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:That is often true but there are exceptions. As an example a 1965 Buick Riviera (a classic 1963 design) was re-worked and the enhanced '65 version was far better looking than the original and is prized by more collectors than the '63.
You missed the point.
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24.08 was Seabourn Pride also on a last visit,but as a BIG suprise Artemis also arrive that day,even she was supose to visit Bergen that day :
Today Oriana was on a last visit this year :
quote:Originally posted by dmwnc1:Wonderful pictures as always. I hate to see another season come to an end. How much longer until the last ship calling?
Thank you....15 september is Boudicca the last ship to visit us this year....Albatros is the last in Geiranger 29 september...
Today Discovery was visit us but ofcours it was a bad rain weather
Cam J
quote:Originally posted by Cam J:Can anyone tell me why theres an off season?
Find Norway on a map.
It gets kind of cold and dark there in the winter.
quote:Originally posted by dougnewman:Are you serious?Find Norway on a map.It gets kind of cold and dark there in the winter.
LMAO. I was going to answer it but couldnt come up with a way to politely say what you said.
I came up with this instead:
quote:Originally posted by Cam J:Can anyone tell me why theres an off season?Cam J
Other than the fact that it's very, very cold (average 36 degrees) and the length of daytime sunlight in December is six hours or less (sunrise in late December approx 9:45am, sunset 3:30pm) I'm not sure...
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quote:Originally posted by dougnewman:In all seriousness, I have heard that visiting Norway in the winter can be very lovely, but I am sure it is not exactly the sort of thing the average cruise passenger would be interested in.
It is lovely. Here a link to some (sadly not too many) old video clips of one of my trips to Norway during the winter:
Richard With (Hurtigruten) - February 1994
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quote:Originally posted by dmwnc1:Lovely clips. The one of her leaving Honningsvåg says it all in a nutshell. You also have one of Gabriella leaving Helsinki in February thats also a nice Winter shot.
Thanks for the kind comment. It's not on Norway but actually I have more 'winter shots' beside Gabriella.There are some clips on Silja Symphony, a clip on Prinsesse Ragnhild (now Bahamas Celebration) or also Sampo (ice breaker) presently online.More 'winter shots' are in preparation (much more) - like this one - or that one (since you mentioned Gabriella).
quote:Originally posted by Ernst:Thanks for the kind comment. It's not on Norway but actually I have more 'winter shots'...
All great examples of why cruise ships dont sail the Baltic and the Scandinavian Peninsula in Winter.
quote:Originally posted by dmwnc1:All great examples of why cruise ships dont sail the Baltic and the Scandinavian Peninsula in Winter.
Hey, I though these clips are great examples why cruise ships should sail in the Baltic and to Scandinavia during the winter.
Seriously: I actually think that it would make sense to occasionally offer cruises to the Baltic capitals or to Norway during the winter. For some people snow is exotic and cities in the Baltic offer an atmosphere a lot of people would enjoy before Christmas. For many ships the long transfer to that region would be prohibitive form where they are during the winter but e.g. cruise ships operating out of U.K. ports could offer (and actually already have offered) such itineraries during the winter.
quote:Originally posted by Cam J:Was that really nessecary! Thats just plain Rude! You sarcastic.....
quote:Originally posted by Ernst:Seriously: I actually think that it would make sense to occasionally offer cruises to the Baltic capitals or to Norway during the winter.
But I think the operative word is occasionally ... you are not going to fill a big cruise ship every week to Norway in the middle of the winter.
quote:Originally posted by dougnewman:... you are not going to fill a big cruise ship every week to Norway in the middle of the winter.
No reason to send cruise ships up there when the ferries in place do just as good of a job.
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