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starfish
First Class Passenger
Member # 986

posted 04-27-2000 08:51 PM

I just read an article at cruisemates.com about a group of teens on the 4/15 voyage breaking into the disco,drinking and causing damage and having the captain call a curfew.
I think RCI is going to have to start dealing with this problem.May-be some uniformed security guards? See-ye RCI !

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tonan
First Class Passenger
Member # 971

posted 04-27-2000 10:02 PM

It's really sad to hear news like this. I was on Voyager during the height of Spring Break, and I'm sure our cruise had more children than the one on 4/15. I didn't observe any problems on our cruise. It unfortunately only takes a few to ruin a cruise. I do agree that RCI cruise staff do need to take a tougher stance against the improper actions of the younger passengers and make parents more accountable.

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CTrail
First Class Passenger
Member # 64

posted 04-28-2000 06:57 AM

I think you are right. If the parents are held accountable there would probably be a dramatic decrease in these types of incidents.
I believe that it is the Masters call is it not to put the parents and their offending children off the ship at the next port of call and make them financially responsible.
Key thing here is did they (the crew) know who was responsible, did they have eye witnesses that are willing to testify in court because you can bet that this is where it would end up.
You know, the typical how dare you do that to my child when all they did was trash your ship. We paid for that cruise and they were just having fun and it got a little out of hand or they lost at the video game that they were playing and psychologically they had to take out their frustration somewhere or they would be affected for their entire adult life. Yada Yada Yada.

Tobadsosad,throwemoverboard

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gizmo
First Class Passenger
Member # 972

posted 04-28-2000 08:20 AM

Here we go again!!
As discussed in another thread, I think the cruise lines should offer some adult only cruises.

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jwine
First Class Passenger
Member # 634

posted 04-28-2000 08:48 AM

I agree with gizmo 100%!!! Adult only cruises would be fantastic! What we are seeing today with the kids on the ships and everywhere else is the American "no one is responsible for their action" attitude. Unfortunately, we have come to this (look at our President). The cruise lines have taken the "polically correct" approach and it's not working. People save their hard earned money to go on a cruise and enjoy themselves, not be harrassed by a group of unruly kids whose parents are just as bad. At some point people will stop coming and then the cruise lines will be forced to take drastic matters.
After my experience on the Voyager in Jan, RCI will be the last cruise line I'll go on for quite sometime.

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Will
First Class Passenger
Member # 472

posted 04-28-2000 09:25 AM

I'm taking my Teenage Daughter and Niece on a Carnival Cruise May 22th. I sure they will be very well behavied since that was how they were raised.

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CB
First Class Passenger
Member # 58

posted 04-28-2000 09:35 AM

Just wait until the summer. There will be more kids on board for the one of a kind amenties on Voyager. Good luck to the adult cruisers on this ship. This aircraft carrier is not for me.

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jwine
First Class Passenger
Member # 634

posted 04-28-2000 11:39 AM

will - that's the sad part of it all - there are lots of kids that cruise and are well-behaved, unfortunately they take the rap for all the ill-behaved hooligans because people are so upset with everything that is going on and they do not distinguish the good from the bad. On the Voyager, I believe there were 400 kids, probably about 75 caused all the ruckus - but that was more than was necessary, even people with kids were complaining about them. It's time the cruise lines take back their ships! Dress codes in dining room, shut doors 15 minutes into dining, kids not allowed in shows without parents, not allowed to sit in first three rows, not in hot tubs, or spas, bingo, casinos or lounges, these were things that were always enforced a couple of years ago - time to re-enforce them or they will soon see people aren't cruising - and certainly with all these new mega-ships coming on line the one thing they need is PEOPLE!

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Ascendancy
First Class Passenger
Member # 840

posted 04-28-2000 01:04 PM

RCL should consider not having the wall and the rink on their next +130 megaliners for this very reason. These two activities attract too many teenagers. Cruise liners don't want this crowd on board! They would be very destructive, as was the case here. Don't cater to the teenagers and you won't have this problem.

[This message has been edited by Ascendancy (edited 04-28-2000).]

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hma109
First Class Passenger
Member # 593

posted 04-28-2000 02:36 PM

I agree that the kids should control themselves and that the parents should as well. But remember, not all kids are out of control. I've been on many cruises with my parents when I was in my teens and now. Going on a cruise as been an education. You get to see many different areas and their history and culture. In addition, I met a lot of wonderful people, and some I still keep in touch with.

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denisej
First Class Passenger
Member # 1251

posted 04-28-2000 02:36 PM

My guess would be that most ships and cruiselines aren't immune from unruly kids. What other cruiselines have you been on? Don't let one experience with a cruiseline cause you to blame the cruiseline jwine. Like you said, it was a small group that gave the whole group a bad rap.

Aren't there any other cruise lines that have children? Seems like RCI is getting a bad rap because of one publicized incident. Amazing how the press works. We're just not hearing about every incident that happens. We may now, since this subject has come up. I don't think RCI is alone.

On our trip in Jan, I hardly remember seeing kids. Ironically, on the last night, the cruise director asked the audience before the show how many had children on board and I would dare say at least 50% raised their hands, and that was just the first show. I was quite surprised. And this was "RCI".

I think RCI is a great cruiseline from the one time I've cruised and I've read hundreds of reviews the year prior to sailing and 98% felt the same. I'm sorry RCI gave you such a bad impression JWINE. I do agree with you about enforcing the dress codes. Although I didn't see too many underdressed people. I do think it kills the atmosphere to see people in shorts. But, unfortunately, you can bet that the one person that gets turned down at dinner will certainly have something negative to write about it and will never cruise that "cruise line again". Let's see how many other cruise lines are mentioned under this topic. I'm convinced there's others.

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jwine
First Class Passenger
Member # 634

posted 04-28-2000 03:33 PM

denisej - I've been on NCL, Princess, HAL, Carnival, Big Red Boat, Disney and RCI 8 times (24 cruises in all). There were lots and lots of kids on the Big Red Boat and Disney, but their parents had control of them. When I was on the Voyager (1-23-00), the parents had no control of the kids - this is not a prime time for kids to be cruising (no holidays, not summer) - in fact the parents condoned what the kids were doing "my child is on vacation and he can do whatever he wants to" was one mothers comment. The incident on the 4-15 cruise is not an isolated incident. Read the cruise sites, it's happening time and time again on RCI. Maybe no big deal for you till you save up and go on a cruise and have a miserable time because of someone elses unruly kids! I don't travel in the summer or during any holiday season because I don't want to put up with the kids. I raised mine and beleive me they never acted like these kids.

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topgun
First Class Passenger
Member # 928

posted 04-28-2000 03:51 PM

I am reading this with interest and coming to a slow boil.Unruly kids on cruise ships are a pestilence. We pay our hard earned savings to take a cruise vacation and get totally rogered by bunches of loutish kids.At the moment I am too ticked off to be polite. More to follow tomorrow if I can calm down enough to make sense.

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K&K
First Class Passenger
Member # 1040

posted 04-28-2000 04:33 PM

Well, it does not sound like an isolated incident. Perhaps Malcom has uncovered the answer in a quote he used on another post> I do not however know where he heard it. The Voyager was designed to appeal specifically to people who identify themselves as "not cruise ship people" says R.C.C.I. CEO Richard Fain!
If what we all know is true that is about money. these teenagers are paying for another cabin or at the very least adding an extra three hundred plus? per cabin.I think the people they are getting is possibly the ones they were shooting for. Do not just fill out the questionaire write the cruise line!!! Kevin

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jwine
First Class Passenger
Member # 634

posted 04-28-2000 05:13 PM

We did write the cruise line, also sent a copy to Mr. Fain. Their response was, "security talked with these people and they did not wish to co-operate". My advise to RCI is to start insisting they co-operate or put them off the ship. These kids were not teenagers, they were between 6 and 12-13. Personally I feel they all needed a good "politically incorrect" SPANKING!!! and I know plenty of people who would have loved to give them one, including the performers. Did you ever go to a nice restaurant and have kids crawling around on the floor?, running in and out?, yelling and throwing food?, sliding down the bannister? This was our dining experience every night and we were at late seating. Can't imagine what first seating was like. They were even in the lounges, one man put his drink down and went to the restroom and these kids came over and started drinking his drink! It was unbelievable! I told them (excuse my french) to put the drink down and get the hell out of the lounge, that is when the one boys mother came over to me pointing her finger in my face and told me "her son was on vacation and could do anything he wanted to do, and if I complained she was going to report me and have me thrown off the ship"! This kid wasn't more than 10 or 11 and these people had money. I guess their Nannies raise them and when they are on vacation they just let them run wild, just don't want to deal with them. And to think some day they will be running the country - SCARY thought.

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topgun
First Class Passenger
Member # 928

posted 04-28-2000 05:15 PM

The answer to the problem seems too obvious.

The cruise ticket always contains perfectly legal terms and conditions which virtually absolves the carrier from any liability as the result of its actions in any way. We are required to sign this document, accepting the terms before boarding.

Presume that the cruise lines are fully aware of the unruly kids problem.
Why should they not add a clause to the contract providing them the right to take any action they consider neccessary to provide for the quiet enjoyment of all passengers. This should stop any legal action on the part of offenders.
As to remedies, it boggles the mind as to what could be done-------------
Overnight lockup in the cells.
Cleaning washrooms in crew quarters.
All else failing, throw them overboard.

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MHP
First Class Passenger
Member # 1101

posted 04-28-2000 05:25 PM

Instead of complaining, why not think about the problem and come up with constructive solutions. R.C.I. is averaging 105% of capacity...and we know that's from the 3rd and 4th berths. So what to do? If you limit the 3rd and 4th berths for families to children under say 12 years then you are forcing families with older children reconsider their vaction plans.... Or pay the money for a second cabin. As long as you sell those 3rd and 4th berths for $299.00 or less you are going to attract large groups.

Just some brainstorming..

- 11pm Curfew unless accompanied by an adult..Great Idea.

- More Organized activities for teenagers?

- Security Guards..Bad Idea..

- Have parents with teenagers post a bond?

- Have the parents and their siblings sign a code on conduct contract before boarding with the penalty being removal from the ship at any port... That will send a strong message to absentee parents!

Any more ideas...........

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cameron
First Class Passenger
Member # 966

posted 04-28-2000 07:01 PM

Sorry to hear the new Jwine. I believe that cruise lines need to take some action regarding unrully kids. Image, if you would, that a group of kids get together and decide to throw something or someone overboard just for fun and to see what kind of reaction will they get from the crew. It is a scary thought; but it could happen because no one is actually looking after them.
As for curfew, it will not work because parents of these kids will not co-operate simply, they are "on vacation and could do anything they wanted to do..."
Here are two suggestions: 1)have all passengers pay full price regardless of age. 2) get rid of $299 deal on 3th or 4th berth.

Just my opinion

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jwine
First Class Passenger
Member # 634

posted 04-28-2000 07:18 PM

I think the cruise lines should have everyone who is sailing with children sign a document stating they know the rules and will have their children abide by them. Also, the children should sign. If they do not abide by the rules they are put off the ship. Carnival does it on the Paradise with smoking. It can be done. Once it is known to the public that this is the way it is and action is taken a few times I believe the problems will decrease. Again, it was not teenagers on our cruise 1-23, it was the 6 to 12/13 year olds. It wouldn't take much to target the trouble makers, everyone on our cruise knew who they were, including the staff and entertainers. The comedian walked off the stage one night because they were causing such havoc in the theatre. The rules are there, they just need to be enforced.

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hhornblower
First Class Passenger
Member # 1047

posted 04-28-2000 07:32 PM

MHP, you have some great ideas. I think the best idea is to have a code of conduct for teenagers and anyone who violates the code of conduct gets put off the ship. RCI needs to also understand that allowing minors to drink is against the law. Also I know of several law suits where children were horsing around in a store or at school unsupervised and got hurt and the parents sued and won!!! so it is in RCI best interest to control and monitor misbehavior.
I also think the most powerful thing that any of us can do is begin a massive letter writing campaign to RCI for them to do something about this problem. If they get enough letters, something will be done. I plan to sail on the Voyager this summer and I don't want to ruin my vacation with unruly children. I will be writing Mr. Fain and I hope all the posters on this site will do so as well. On a positive note, I sailed the Enchantment 2 years ago in July and the youth program was so well run you rarely saw any children or teenagers.

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gizmo
First Class Passenger
Member # 972

posted 04-29-2000 09:12 AM

I am with Topgun and jwine. The documents should state that the cruise line has the right to put them off the ship.
Maybe prices should be raised for 3rd and 4th in a cabin. I heard on the news last night that Disney is now charging adult prices for children 10 and up for admission to the parks,(HEARD NOTHING ABOUT THE CRUISE SHIPS).

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DianaD
First Class Passenger
Member # 1010

posted 04-29-2000 09:14 PM

Why cant the cruise lines do what a lot of the land vacations are doing, adults only, look at Sandals, Super Clubs and many more. It is very obvious that is what people want as they sell well.

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Mercy
First Class Passenger
Member # 322

posted 04-30-2000 12:18 AM

jwine... I can't believe the NERVE of the mother that got mad at you because you didn't want their child to drink in a bar. I would have blistered her ears and if she threatened to have me thrown off the ship, I would have marched right to the purser's office and explained what happened. And I would have told Mom "Shame on you!"
I raised two boys, and I would have been mortified if they ever behaved like that and if they did I would have been apologizing all over the place. I would have said "I am also on vacation and don't need to put up with someone elses BRATS! And if they can't act like civilized human beings , then they shouldn't be with a couple of thousand other people on a ship.
I like your ideas MHP! There were security guards with uniforms on Carnival's "Elation" They didn't seem to upset the passengers with their presence.
Good Luck everyone. Hope you have better luck with future cruises.

[This message has been edited by Mercy (edited 04-30-2000).]

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mitch
First Class Passenger
Member # 708

posted 04-30-2000 03:27 AM

We have taken our teens on 2 cruises and on both occasions the teens and children were well behaved. In fact it was the adults who over indulged in alcohol and emabarressed themselves at the shows and public areas etc. The cruises that do have problems must be a minority overall. There are always some problems on all cruise ships, lets get this into perspective.

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topgun
First Class Passenger
Member # 928

posted 04-30-2000 08:36 AM

Mitch, the topic here is disruptions caused by kids, not adults.
Why not open a new thread on this with your thoughts. Earlier this year there was a similar subject with senior citizens beating up younger passengers. Doing this will keep on topic.I will certainly value your input.
Just a suggestion.

[This message has been edited by topgun (edited 04-30-2000).]

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