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NAbbott
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posted 08-21-2000 06:08 PM      Profile for NAbbott   Email NAbbott   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Did anyone see the program on TLC last night on cruise ships? I think I heard that an exact replica of the Titanic will be ready in 2001 or 2002. Has anybody else heard about this?

I wonder if they will have problems booking her?

Nancy


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Peter P
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posted 08-21-2000 07:52 PM      Profile for Peter P     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They have problems building it if it should be out 2001.

Didnt see anything but think all this is crap.


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posted 08-21-2000 09:26 PM      Profile for Fanatic     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think this is going to turn out to be one of those "Phoenix" projects. All talk, and nothing will ever come of it. I also think the whole thing is rather tasteless. What next? A replica of the Concorde which crashed?

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posted 08-22-2000 01:16 PM      Profile for jmperry1   Email jmperry1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've heard this rumor before, but I have no idea whether its true or not. It seems to me that marketing a classed ship would be nearly impossible today. After all, who would actually pay for steerage.

If they don't have (undesirable) steerage, and a lot of it, it won't be a true replica. Now, will it?

James


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Mauretania
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posted 08-22-2000 04:26 PM      Profile for Mauretania     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
James - picky, picky, picky. I've seen an artists rendering of the "replicant Titanic" in one of the science magazines and the replica also has bow thrusters and bulbous bow!

We also now know that TITANIC's rudder should have had a larger surface area for improved maneuverability - should that improvement NOT be included in a new build? Will she burn coal?

The idea of a true replica is misguided. You cannot re-create the artistry and craftsmanship of the old days and its not right to refrain from utilizing improvements in navigation, engineering and safety technologies.

It would be great to see a ship built in the old style, but you can't recreate an exact duplicate. The past is the past, like it or not.


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kfleming
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posted 08-22-2000 11:25 PM      Profile for kfleming   Email kfleming   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I also saw The Learning Channels program titled "The Secret World of Cruise Ships". They did state that the White Star Line is building a replica of Titanic scheduled to sail at the end of 2001(I guess it may not be EXACT).
It's a little scary to me, like tempting fate!!

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Barryboat
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posted 08-23-2000 11:17 AM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That show: The Secret World of Cruise Ships, was made quite a while ago, perhaps in 1998, when this Titanic concept was really buzzing, but I don't see it happening. Doesn't Cunard own the name "White Star"? Cunard is now using that term in their most recent brochures, that they offer White Star service.
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Mauretania
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posted 08-23-2000 01:46 PM      Profile for Mauretania     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Cunard does own the White Star name, and has done since the merger in 1934. I doubt they would relinquish hold on it to a company that would doubtless be going up against them.

Some of these TV documentaries take a little liberty with the truth. Somebody probably told them "We're going to build it! We've got the financing! We're talking to shipyards! We're going to have her in the water by 2001!" and the TV show dutifully reports that TITANIC 2 will be plying the Caribbean a week Thursday.

And I agree that building a TITANIC replica is like tempting fate. I would love to see somewhat mimic hte design style of early 20th centruy liners because I think the designs are handsome, but I think its a bit misguided to re-create the past as it was. We should try to preserve what was good, while bringing what is good about modern technology to the table. (Can you imagine anyone tolerating stoker working conditions today?)


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jmperry1
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posted 08-23-2000 04:10 PM      Profile for jmperry1   Email jmperry1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, I was being picky. But then the original post used the word "exact." This is one of the things in the modern marketing age that happens to bother me, the use of unnecessary hyperbole. If someone intemnds to create the feel of the Titanic with interiors designed to look like the originals great. But if you say something is going to be exactly like something else, then it should be exactly like that thing.

This is of course, one of the fantasies about historic recreations. You can never truly recreate the past because the audience is in the present. The "residents" of Historic Williamsburg drive home to their modern houses at night and the guests stay in modern hotels instead of inns.

Having vented over this, let me say that I'm actually a big fan of that type of thing. I LOVE historical recreations. I just don't kid myself that I've truly stepped back in time.

By the way, I don't believe the story-line of Cameron's movie could have ever really happened either. Loved the ship, hated the movie.

James


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NAbbott
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posted 08-23-2000 05:31 PM      Profile for NAbbott   Email NAbbott   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My BAD!

"Exact" may have been my addition. I believe the program stated that they would replicate the design and interior furnishings. By today's standards, do you think that it would have the same feel of opulence?

I'm with you James, I would not want to step back in time. I enjoy the technology of today too much. (I didn't care for the movie either.)


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Mauretania
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posted 08-23-2000 06:58 PM      Profile for Mauretania     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
James, I wasn't criticising your pickiness, I was endorsing it! I don't imagine a replica would have stokers, for example :-) And I agree with your points on marketing hyperbole.
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posted 08-23-2000 08:57 PM      Profile for Fanatic     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder why they (whoever "they" are) just don't have a memorial of sorts to the Titanic. By that, I mean construct a "replica" as a museum, much like the Queen Mary - permanently docked and unsailable. Many of the interiors could be recreated, such as the public rooms and select cabin-types (of all three classes), along with lecture halls, displays and museums (maybe even set up a permanent exhibit of Titanic artifacts), things about sea and liner history, immigration, Edwardian life, etc. It would not serve as a hotel. This could possibly serve as a tasteful memorial and a method of education - all the while making money which, let's face it, is the bottom line. If Cameron could construct something much like that, only to trash it, why can't it be done?

Fanatic
P.S. By the way, James, I heartly agree with you on Cameron's movie: the "history" and recreation were wonderful; the story was schmaltzy. All I could think, while people in the seats were sobbing all around me, was that that old lady was crazy to dump the "jewel" overboard. Get thee to a pawn shop!


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posted 08-23-2000 09:06 PM      Profile for BigUFan   Author's Homepage   Email BigUFan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've read all the articles, visited all the alleged Titanic project websites and it all comes down to this:

1 - Nobody will tolerate steerage.
2 - Stokers are non-necessary because the engines will be diesel, like it or not.
3 - Only the spirit of the original will be left intact, i.e., she'll only look like the original. First class might still be included, but if you consider the alleged passage rates (generally anyplace between $10,000 and $30,000 US for a transatlantic!), the entire ship will be first class.
4 - Technologically speaking, she HAS TO BE state of the art because SOLAS regulations will not allow anything less.
5 - It will never happen because of the money and the superstition.

But, oh! How I'd love to see it.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 08-27-2000 05:08 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If it did not happen when the impetus of the Movie was at its peak, it will not happen now.

It's nothing more than a pipe dream!


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Beezo
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posted 08-27-2000 05:50 PM      Profile for Beezo   Author's Homepage   Email Beezo   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i heard about this project at www.stutt.com months ago. it said that the ship, "TITANIC II" will be out in 2007. it said that on itz maiden voyage, it will do a traslantic crossing and do a cerminonail service at the site where the TITANIC sank. It will not be an exact replica, (it will have staterooms, not steerage). it will have the right amount of lifeboats this time too! it said that it will be built for CUNARD. they also someday want to make a Lusitannia II and a Brittanic II.

Brian


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nzmike
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posted 08-29-2000 01:23 AM      Profile for nzmike   Email nzmike   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There are a significant number of technical difficulties in recreating a Titanic. Getting the dimensions right is difficult because Titanic had a very deep draft by modern standards and completely different weight distribution. Her engines and boilers took up huge amounts of space and weight, far more than they would on a modern ship, and this also presents a number of issues. The hull also presents problems because it would be very expensiveto recreate a ship with a hull that had the same sheer and tumblehome as Titanic - all modern ships have straight sides. (A good demonstration is to stand at Miami pier and compare Norway to a newbuild. Also, Titanic had a relatively small superstructure compared to modern ships, meaning no verandah cabins and less passenger capacity. It is also very difficult to recreate Titanics interiors to comply with modern safety regulations. I suspect it is these practical and economic difficulties that have made past projects founder. Personally I think Titanic is best left as a memory.
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posted 08-29-2000 03:01 PM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I too, think it's an appalling idea. And also something to extract cash from naive (dumb) people's pockets!! Why not build a replica of a gulag or concentration camp too? Or maybe even slavery? I mean, after all, a lot of people have never experienced THOSE either!!

[This message has been edited by Rex (edited 08-29-2000).]


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 08-30-2000 07:55 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Rex, it may be an appalling idea - but if they really did build a 'replica, how many of us CruiseTalkers could resist going to see her or sail on her, given the chance? It would be a very 'hot ticket' and not just amongst the dumb!

Concentration camps still exist, such as Auschwitz in Poland. People can still go too see it, if they require a reminder.

I don't think the 'dumb' would extract enough cash from there pockets to pay for a Titanic replica anyway. This is what the business men fear too!


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posted 08-30-2000 12:31 PM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As usual, Malcolm, you make a good point. However, my point is, why build a replica of something that is synonomous with death and tragedy. True, people do go visit sites where the Nazi death camps were, but as a form of remembrance to a hideous time in world history. No one goes to get gassed, or beaten by storm troopers.

To recreate a model of the TITANIC, to me, is to make light of the fundemental tragedy of the sinking. Beneath all the hyperbole and films and all of that, lies a truly tragic story about arrogance, intolerance and death. It's not something to be made "trendy" or "hip". "Hey, let's sail on the TITANIC replica, and stand in the same place where the Strauses croaked together!"

I thought it was awful when they started bringing up artifacts. The show has been in Philadelphia, but I did not go and see it.

It's only my opinion, and I do understand where you are coming from as a ship buff.


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Rex, I now see where you are coming from - good points!

I did go and see the Titanic exhibition in London. I'm torn in half by the concept of recovering artifacts for the Titanic! Yes it's a grave, but it's also history. Museums would not exist without recovered artifacts from war and tragedy etc.

Someone made the point that there was nothing on the Titanic that is not in everyday use in our own houses. It's recent history. It can be argued that artifacts are only being recovered for morbid reasons.

I do think Museums go too far when they display bones and skulls. These belonged to real living people after all!

I just solved the problem! They should make a replica 'Olympic' instead I can't belive that they actually scrapped her!


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posted 08-31-2000 08:55 AM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcolm...

Thanks again for your input, my friend. Regarding the OLYMPIC: I saw a documentary on the White Star Trio some months ago, and they said, when the OLYMPIC was sold for scrap, the sale of most of her fittings did not go as well as had been hoped because in 1935, people thought her interiors were too dated...can you believe that? Thank God her 1st class dining room staircase and some of her veneers were saved, Celebrity made a smart move in purchasing them, I am sure they are lovely...we never appreciate things until they are gone. And by the time Art Deco came back in vogue in the 60's and 70's the majority of liners featuring that particular decor had been scrapped.

[This message has been edited by Rex (edited 08-31-2000).]


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posted 09-01-2000 02:40 PM      Profile for BigUFan   Author's Homepage   Email BigUFan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Great point on not appreciating things until they're gone, Rex. I think there's a site out there with a bunch of pix from the Olympic Restaurant on board the Millenium, but I don't remember where it was, and I never got around to bookmarking it. From what I saw, though.......wow! Seeing those panels up on the walls of the restaurant gave me the strangest feeling of going back in time. They're beautiful. If anyone's got that link, please post it.
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posted 09-01-2000 06:51 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcolm, I had the same idea as you....to build a replica of the Olympic would be a smart move, and people wouldn't have to deal with the morbed thoughts of cruising on a vessel that has a name synonimis (sp) with disaster.
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