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Jules
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posted 09-09-2000 09:30 PM      Profile for Jules        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The cruise lines have done a lot recently to reduce the perception that cruising is only for the wealthy and cultured. The mass market has increased choice and reduced fares.

Some passengers appear to want to keep up the "great social divide" and do not like the new egalitarian ships. They take pleasure in making people feel uncomfortable and in various ways to show them that they do not belong.

I am sure that some of you have experienced the bore at a table who lets you know in their first few words that they are in a top of the range suit with hot and cold running Butler. Furthermore they do not feel that anything below a 5 star ship should be allowed in the water nor should any passenger be admitted who does not have

1. Designer clothes (No your M&S or Debenhams suit will not do gents)

2. A degree (and only some of them are acceptable - do not apply if it came from a Uni.which was formerly a College)

3. The correct accent (no Scots, Scoursers, people from Newcastle or Cornwall - or their equivalents in the USA, Canada etc - as this passenger can't understand you and won't even try)

4. A prefrence for Claret over cola (other beverages may be considered dependant on this passenger's personal taste but definately nothing with fruit, straws or umbrellas on)

5. No children (not under any circumstances and this passenger doesn't care how many facilities there are to keep the little brats out of his way - dont let them on in the first place, nor thier parents)

This passenger can and does spend 2 hours over dinner expanding on the list and insists that these dictates are necessary to maintain standards on board ships - mustn't let the riff raff on! (he ends by telling you just how many cruises he has been on as well, so he should know)

Obviously this is an exagerated example (but based in part on fact) to make the point which is where do you feel that maintaining standards ends and unadulterated snobbery begins?

Does anyone have any funny examples of the POSH at play?



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BALCONY
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posted 09-09-2000 10:03 PM      Profile for BALCONY     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You're right. I usually ignore these types. And quite frankly - when ignored, I find their attitudes change. The first day they identify themselves. They march on the ship, wearing uniforms - that dingy t-shirt w/cruise line's logo they purchased from the last cruise. This announces to fellow shipmates their non-rookie status. Trust me, I'm a living witness, I was one of them. After the 2nd cruise, I realized I was making a fool of myself. Also, they never want to appear lost. I just ignore them. I've learned each ship is very different. I can't know everything. I delight in conversations with seasoned cruisers who have taken 25+ cruises. I learn something from them. We just sit back and watch the snobs flounder about. Sometimes, they are funnier than the shows.

Sorry, JULES, I have to tell you, I work very hard. When I take my vacation (cruise) I don't want kids banging on my cabin door and running the halls all night. "balcony"


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Jules
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posted 09-09-2000 10:12 PM      Profile for Jules        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Balcony - I agree to some extent with your comments about children. I dont have any myself and don't like other peoples when they are being a pest - that said some can behave very well.
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jeff
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posted 09-10-2000 01:56 AM      Profile for jeff     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
ohhh..yeeaa....i've bounced into a few pure snobs in my cruising past.....one time a friend and i decided to save a few bucks and grab an inside cabin so we would have a few more bucks for spending money...anyways when we arrived at our dinner table we were all introduced by the head of the dining table and that they were from one of the penthouse suites with a large balcony....we told them that we had an inside and that was that for conversation during dinner for a couple of day's until they once budded into a conversation.....i blurped out that there was no way that they were in a penthouse due to all the penthouse suites being seated at the captains table that night....they shut-up after that....a friend of ours was working as the consierge for the suites above and that the people were booked in a budget outside with bunks...hahaha...jeff
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 09-10-2000 06:23 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jules there are snobs everywhere, not just on ships!

Cruise lines line Airtours, Tompson, Carnival and NCL (Freestyle?) are more likely to provide a 'snob free zone' - but of course the 'snobs' get a lot of pleaseue looking down of these!

The QE2 cleverly seperates the 'classes' in the worst tradition of the British class structure in action!


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sympatico
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posted 09-10-2000 07:37 AM      Profile for sympatico     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jeff - that is so funny. Snobs are not only on cruises they are on travel forums also. After I read Travel Page I go into another forum and there is a poster there, who on every post he makes, lets it be known how many cruises he has taken and that he always takes a Suite and twice has had the Penthouse. Well, la-di-da - big deal. My TA has taken the Penthouse, twice during our large group tour - and he makes sure everyone (over 100 of us) is invited at least one night for cocktails and to see the suite. Most people who take the Penthouse are very low-key about it.
Maybe this guy on the other forum, is the grandfather of the large family who all wore their terry robes to the pool each day - I felt it was to tell everyone that "we are all in Suites".
Snobs are found everywhere - just ignore them.

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Cambodge
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posted 09-10-2000 08:50 AM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Are we (my wife and I) snobs? Possibly, it depends on the definition. As retired US Civil Servants, we do not have monumental pensions, and choose our cruises carefully.

We go "First" on QE2, at a significant bugetary dent, simply because we enjoy the good life. In QE2 First, we have met people who could buy and sell us out of petty cash! But were they snobs? No! A retired executive who OWNED a shipyard had delightful maritime tales to spin; a VERY senior executive of American Express revealed spending habits of the VERY rich and famous (and how AMEX had to cover them); and a well-known TV star and I discussed the ballistics of the dice-throwers in the Casino on a significantly rolling vessel.

Then on a Carib cruise, we had fractious kids, mediocre food, and "fun fun fun" You only live once, I'll take the former lifestyle any time.

And if this makes me a snob - sobeit!

[This message has been edited by Cambodge (edited 09-10-2000).]


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Paddy
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posted 09-10-2000 09:32 AM      Profile for Paddy   Email Paddy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcolm - ha! On the Seawing we all had a great laugh at the snobs who dressed up in their absolute finery with their Tiffany's jewels etc. on formal night. Okay, dressing up is fine, but when they squeezed all their friends into their Standard Outside Cabin on Caribbean Deck (bottom) for champagne, it was hilarious. At our table it was discovered we were the people who had book the last three (and cheapest) cabins a month before departure and it was a topic of conversation - people thinking they are on a cruise and as such deserve the service that they would get on Cunard. Snobs are everywhere, make the most out of them!

Paddy.


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neviboy
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posted 09-10-2000 09:51 AM      Profile for neviboy   Email neviboy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I rarely meet a snob. They only show off to people that they THINK are younger, less sophisticated, less travelled, etc. Whenever I get one at the table I try to top them with a situation either real or imaginery. I get sadistic, my wife tells me ! I just love to pop their balloons. An old lady was so outclassed that she read up on European capitals and started talking like a snob. Unfortunately she went overboard (sorry) discussing Rome. "Oh! I met the pope in the Vatican. What a wonderful man. Couldn't stand his wife though." So take care. Just have fun on a cruise. Don't gripe about anything. You're lucky to be on board instead of driving the bus.
Neville

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posted 09-10-2000 10:14 AM      Profile for Fanatic     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have had only one "snob" encounter. It was when doing a QE2 transatlantic and it was right after we boarded. We were still in dock and having dinner (she was going to sail a few hours late because a large group had been delayed) and, as you know, first-night-out in the dining room is pre-assigned table. Well, we had this man at ours who was the biggest snob in the world. He flipped about this and flipped about that, finding only criticism about everything. The steward tending to our table was on his very first assignment and, needless to say, nervous. Snobbo's radar homed in on that and began to taunt the poor guy, making him even more nervous to the point where he spilled a drop of coffee on the table cloth, sending Snobborino into a tizzy. When dinner was over, I and my friends went up to the shaking, traumatized steward and told him what a fine job he was doing and gave him a tip. The grateful, appreciative smile on his face almost brought tears to ours. On that crossing we were sailing, of course, what was then called "Transatlantic Class" the euphemism for Tourist Second. And so was the snob. On the other hand, we had met so many delightful, wonderful and fun people who were in First, including two British sisters, one married, the other widowed, both clones of Margaret Thatcher, who were crossing to America and then taking a Cunard land tour to NY, Philly and DC. They were such a riot! They insisted we meet them in the First Class bar and treated us to all sorts of alcoholic concoctions and plied us with questions about what to see and do while in America. By the way, we never did spot Snobby again.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 09-10-2000 11:47 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Cambodge, going "First" on the QE2 does not make you a snob! Ramming it down everyone's throat would (and I'm sure that you don't)!

I was once standing on the dock at Victoria (BC) taking a photograph of the 'Mercury'. I saw a guy also looking wide-eyed at her. He said to me "She's just fantastic", I agreed "I really wish I could aford to cruise on her", he said. I said "Yes, it's not cheap". He said that he wished that he had brought his camera. I said no problem, I'd take his photograph along side the ship and send it to him. (Which I did) He was very greatful.

I waited a while for the man to leave the dock. Then I boarder the Mercury to continue my cruise.


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topgun
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posted 09-10-2000 12:04 PM      Profile for topgun     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fortunately, there don't seem to be too many snobs around.
When I do feel that we may have one, I normally start acting very dumb, and for me that is not hard to do.
The more you listen and keep saying "fantastic" the better it gets.
Only my travelling partner knows what "fantastic" means when I say it.

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Jules
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posted 09-10-2000 12:20 PM      Profile for Jules        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Cambodge I agree with Malcolm's comment. Being snobbish has nothing to do with where you are on a ship or which ship you are on it is ramming down other people's throats, or making them feel as if they are by definition inferior that is.

We met a charming couple on a ship who were always pleasant and spoke to everyone at the table, he was on the board of diretors for Marks and Spensor. We have also met yuppies who "did something in the city" who thought they were better than everyone else because they had a bigger bank balance.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying the finer things in life. Snobbery is an attitude, not a specific situation.


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sympatico
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posted 09-10-2000 12:40 PM      Profile for sympatico     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Topgun - and so do I. We must have heard the same joke!
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posted 09-10-2000 01:07 PM      Profile for Premier     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think refusing to sit in a bus for a tour excursion is rather snobbish because they are children in the bus is rather snobbish. Do you?
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posted 09-10-2000 01:12 PM      Profile for Premier     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry, I meant to post "I think refusing to sit in a bus for a shore excursion just because children are in the bus is snobbish.
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DianaD
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posted 09-10-2000 03:35 PM      Profile for DianaD   Email DianaD   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No Premier, I don't call that snobbish I call it plain stupid!!!
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posted 09-10-2000 09:43 PM      Profile for hooked on cruising   Email hooked on cruising   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What is a snob? I think it is someone who has no respect for others. They think they are better than everyone else because of the job they do, the house they live in, or who their parents are. We have friends who are very wealthy but you would never know it. We also have friends who have lovely homes, two cars etc but they are both working two even three jobs each. These people don't spend time with their kids or each other and never go on a vacation. I would rather work a decent job, treat people well and have my beautiful cruise when I can. The only time I think I got up everyones nose at work was when I put up a picture of our cruise ship on the staff board with a count down to the day I went. We cruised in March and I put the picture up in September= I guess that would get on your wick wouldn't it? HeeHeeHee everyone knew I was just having fun but there are others who will really rub it in that they are going on a cruise. Snobs who needs them!
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Scottylass
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posted 09-11-2000 09:31 AM      Profile for Scottylass   Email Scottylass   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes snobbery is alive and well not only in cruising but in almost all other aspects of life too. I have just got back from a cruise where I witnessed snobbery first hand, but this was a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, we could go on the same ship a week later and never experience this because on almost every cruise line there are snobs, always have been and always will be and are best ignored, fortunately enough they are in the minority. Money, job or what the person wears does not determine a snob, its the individual themselves and their attitude towards their fellow human beings that determines that.

By judging a person who may have taken the trouble to dress up nicely for the formal night as being a snob is in fact a snobbish attitude in itself, is there not a saying "you should never judge a book by its cover", I like to dress up to the nines for the formal nights because its almost the last place on earth that you can do that in this day and age, and I am NOT a snob, in fact I have a broad Scots accent that I will change for no one either on a cruise ship or in the work place, but I have to agree with Jules when she says that by having an accent (any accent) for some reason "snobs" make an immediate judgement about you and your circumstances, just like the person who makes the judgement that by dressing up you must be a snob. (It works both ways).

My first three cruises were in inside cabins and I admit that I was not a good sailor in those cabins, it was not until we tried a balcony cabin for a special birthday that I realised that I could be on a ship and feel OK, so now we go for a balcony cabin, so because I like a balcony cabin does that mean I am classed as a snob, I hope not.

You will find snobbery no matter where you turn, we tow a caravan and snobbery exists there as well, not only from the Caravaner’s themselves with one-up-manship but from the caravan bashers, those who literally mock, hate and are downright abusive towards people they know nothing about. So when we cruise we do not form an opinion about anyone until we have actually been in their company and spoken with them. Just like Cambodge says you can also meet very wealthy people who are extremely nice, but obnoxious people can be found from any walk of life.

I have worked all my life, and like to spend my hard earned cash by indulging in some of the luxuries of life, lets face it this is not a dress rehearsal its the real thing so we must make the most of life while we can, however its got to the stage where you are afraid to say that you are going on a cruise or doing anything that in my opinion looks like you are enjoying life to the full for fear of being looked upon as a SNOB, which is a shame because one of the enjoyments of going on a cruise is the thrill of speaking about it.

Regards
M.


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K&K
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posted 09-11-2000 10:18 AM      Profile for K&K   Email K&K   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Scottylass; Just because you enjoy a balcony does not make you a snob, It makes you Lucky! Good for you. I agree that snobs are everywhere it has been my experience that the majority of the snobs I have experienced have been the ones that think they have money and feel they have to prove it.

evin


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Scottylass
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posted 09-11-2000 01:45 PM      Profile for Scottylass   Email Scottylass   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Kevin

Yes I thank my lucky stars that I can do what I do and no matter what ship I am on when standing at the rail waving to complete strangers on the quay like an idiot I always feel so priveledged to be in that situation.

I just love ships and the whole presence of being on them, they are living moving things with a soul, and no snob is going to spoil that feeling.

Cheers - M.


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Paddy
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posted 09-11-2000 04:31 PM      Profile for Paddy   Email Paddy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Basically A snob is someone who not only thinks they are better than everyone else, but someone who thinks they are better than they actually are. It is nice when they are brought crashing down to reality with a bump. And Scottylass, I was not saying that dressing up to the nines is being snobbish, far from it. I was only pointing out how ridiculous these people were behaving on my last cruise.

Paddy.


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posted 09-11-2000 04:55 PM      Profile for NAbbott   Email NAbbott   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I believe a "snob" is someone with such a low self-esteem that they have to put on airs so that others think they are special. The only ones they fool are themslves.

Isn't it sad? For them and for us for having to put up with them.

Nancy


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Sherry
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posted 09-12-2000 10:03 AM      Profile for Sherry   Email Sherry   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I guess we've been lucky on our four cruises. I can't remember anyone that was snobby. I admit that we cut corners on cruising. We want to cruise every year, and that's one way we justify the expense. No one has ever made us uncomfortable for having an inside cabin. I have found cruisers to be the nicest, friendliest people to meet. I hope our good luck continues!
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posted 09-12-2000 01:50 PM      Profile for Mauretania     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Snobbery does not come with wealth and status, it comes from the less pleasant aspects of a person's personality - the same qualities that make a person bullyish make them a snob.

I am definitely a non-wealthy person - although I am more fortunate than many. My cruises have been in the little inside cabins in the bowel of the ship. I am luckier than those who never got to go, but I don't think I would count myself as a snob - although I have been called such because I like the fun of dressing in tuxes and gowns on formal nights. I also lament that such attire has gone out of popular fashion... and I am criticized for being a snob. I think that is equally unfair... and I think it is a form of reverse snobbery if you will.

Trying to make a person feel uncomfortable about their likes, dislikes, perceived status in life, is "snobbish" and unfair wherever it comes from.


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