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joe at travelpage
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posted 05-15-2001 05:30 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
HOLLAND AMERICA LINE TO INTRODUCE BELOVED “PRINSENDAM” NAME FOR NEXT SHIP

Seattle, May 15, 2001 -- Holland America Line announced that it will rename its recently acquired Seabourn Sun to the ms Prinsendam next June during introduction festivities. In addition, the premium line released early plans for the 38,000-gross-ton ship’s exotic itineraries during its inaugural year of operation.

“One of the most cherished ship names in our 127-year history is the Prinsendam,,” said David A. Giersdorf, senior vice president, marketing and sales. “In a survey of our top selling travel agencies Prinsendam was selected as the favorite name for our next ship. We totally agree.”
Built in 1973, the former Prinsendam sailed Far East and Alaska itineraries through 1980. The regal name translates to “princes” ship, with “dam” being the familiar Holland America passenger ship name suffix.

Holland America receives the Seabourn Sun on April 23, 2002, and will take it into a drydock for planned modifications to the Holland America brand. The newly refurbished ship will be introduced in June to travel agents and consumers along the East Coast of the United States. It then will embark on its maiden voyage from New York to Europe in early June 2002.

“The itineraries we’ve planned for the new Prinsendam are fantastic for the passengers we expect aboard,” said Giersdorf. “They mix the exotic and adventurous with enough time in port so our guests will definitely return home with many personal discoveries and a sense that they’ve made a monumental journey in their well-traveled lives.”
Plans call for 25 itineraries ranging from 10 to 18 days during the first 12 months. Guests also may choose to combine unique itineraries for a longer voyage of 26 to 57 days. For example, Prinsendam guests could sail from Copenhagen, Denmark, across several seas to Mumbai, India, on a 57-day adventure.

Following its 10-day maiden transatlantic voyage from New York to Southhampton in early June 2002, the Prinsendam will sail the British Isles, coast of Spain, Norwegian fjords, Baltic port cities, Russia, and the coast of France on six itineraries through September. She then sails through the Mediterranean visiting southern Europe before heading to Mumbai, India.

From India, the globetrotting Prinsendam will cruise to Asia and the Pacific to offer several cruises exploring Australia, New Zealand, Burma, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Hong Kong, Singapore, China and Japan. Retracing her steps, the ship returns to Europe in late spring 2003.
One of the most spacious ships in the cruise industry, the future Prinsendam offers eight passenger decks plus 15 public rooms and boutiques. Ninety-three percent of the 383 staterooms have an ocean view and 40 % of those offer private verandahs.

Aboard ship, public rooms will be renamed to reflect the Holland America tradition and cabin categories will be defined in accordance with the company’s current approach fleetwide. Among Holland America’s classic Dutch art and ambiance, passengers will discover an Explorer’s Lounge, Crow’s Nest, Java Café, Rotterdam Dining Room, an Italian alternative restaurant, and other familiar features known to the Holland America guest.

The ship carries a full spa and fitness center, Internet center, outside pools, wrap-around promenade deck, theater, show lounge, library, Lido restaurant, and several public lounges.


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sympatico
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posted 05-15-2001 05:50 PM      Profile for sympatico     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I really never thought that HAL would use the name Prinsendam again. I am sure there are still a lot of passengers living, who on board the ill-fated Prinsendam. Wonder how they feel about this!
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LizB
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posted 05-15-2001 07:11 PM      Profile for LizB     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I, for one, am really disappointed that the Seaborn Sun will be named the Prinsendam as I know several officers who were aboard that ill-fated ship in 1980 when they had to be rescued and are still living in Holland. How stupid of HAL!!!!!!
The itineraries are fine -- but the name is not to be given to a ship that soon! Who's decision is it -- Giersdorf, Lanterman, or Carnival's Arison???
I will never sail on a ship with that name as I remember all too well the day the ship was on fire and my mother was diagnost with cancer...all my friends were aboard the Prinsendam at the same time and fortunate were air-lifted off the burning ship! A time not to be forgotten!!

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posted 05-15-2001 08:38 PM      Profile for Jekyll   Email Jekyll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Joe:

Any word about her capacity or change from single to double seating dining?

I know a few people who think that they will sail w/ the Sun at HAL prices and are bound to be disappointed.

I know nothing more than "rumours". Thanks

[ 05-15-2001: Message edited by: Jekyll ]


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ocngypz
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posted 05-15-2001 09:34 PM      Profile for ocngypz   Email ocngypz   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A very disappointing future ahead for a ship which was one of my family's favorites. What can they be thinking.

As for adding berths, etc. I don't think we'll see any of that. It is too expensive and takes time. Carpeting and soft furnishings are pretty easily accomplished.

Perhaps they would scale down the dining room so as to accommodate two seatings and use the extra space for an alternate dining venue... but use the same kitchen.


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LizB
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posted 05-16-2001 10:42 AM      Profile for LizB     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Joe...years ago, in fact it might have been when the Prinsendam sank, I heard that it was in "rules of the sea" that no ship could be named the same as a ship that sinks for at least 50-years. I am curious if you, or anyone else, has ever heard or read this. If so, how is HAL allowed to rename the Seabourn Sun the "Prinsendam".
I wonder how Capt. Wabeke, retired and living in Holland, will feel when he hears the news!?

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LizB
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posted 05-16-2001 02:43 PM      Profile for LizB     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
vulcania...do you or NAL have an answer to my above question for Joe regarding the 50-year wait to name another ship by the same name??
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posted 05-16-2001 08:18 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
While there are generally accepted navigation rules of the sea, I don't think there are any generally accepted rules that govern the naming of ships.

That being said, there are plenty of maritime traditions - some of which I suspect cover the naming of vessels.

Anyone else?

Joe at TravelPage.com


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posted 05-17-2001 03:41 AM      Profile for Ryndam   Email Ryndam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't know anything about this tradition, but I think it's not a good idea naming a ship after one that sunk few years ago. Superstition is still very popular on board ships, and I'm sure there will be many people (both crewmembers and passengers) that won't board the ship due to her name.

Ryndam


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Jekyll
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posted 05-17-2001 06:49 PM      Profile for Jekyll   Email Jekyll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I find this renaming to Prinsendam (I can still see the images from the news of the burning) symbolic of a glorious vessel being downgraded (as in sinking) to that of a mass market one. I can only hope its fate is not similar.
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posted 05-20-2001 10:38 AM      Profile for fondaenergy   Email fondaenergy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As a result of this posting, I did some research about the Prinsendam. This was not an illustrious ship. She had a history of mechanical problems before the major mishap.

Many people could have died if she hadn't stayed afloat so long. It took 18 hours to evacuate the ship. Many of the crew were off first (like the Andrea Doria). It took some heriocs of the Coast Guard to save people.

I can vote my cruising $$ where I want, and I am extremely reluctant to go on this ship if she is named Prinsendam.


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posted 05-20-2001 11:41 PM      Profile for BTF        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
While the 1980 sinking of the former Prinsendam was unfortunate, there was no loss of life. I don`t think it was quite on the scale of the sinking of the Titanic or the Empress of Ireland, To reuse names is a Holland America tradition, so to rename the Seabourn Sun as the Prinsendam is no great deal. Personally I look forward to sailing on the new Prinsendam (looks like some great itineraries).

Incidentally I understand that the Amsterdam II also wnt down off Sable Island and that did not prevent Holland America from reviving that name for their latest flagship.


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posted 05-21-2001 12:01 PM      Profile for nevadaflip        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Further to the "rule" of renaming ships...... My old company, American President Lines, named all of it's ships after deceased U.S. Presidents and during the years reused many of the names. Almost all of their passenger ships' names were those previously used. There was no time limitation on them. In fact, a couple of times when a new class of ship was introduced, existing ships would have their names changed so that those names could be used for the new ships. We have had 5 PRESIDENT ADAMS, 5 FILLMORES, 6 JACKSONS, etc.

Jerry


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Jekyll
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posted 05-21-2001 04:37 PM      Profile for Jekyll   Email Jekyll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
“One of the most cherished ship names in our 127-year history is the Prinsendam,,” said David A. Giersdorf, senior vice president, marketing and sales.

This quote was in the press release that started this thread and something about it didn't settle with me. Today I realized what it was. This name has only been used once before and that was in 1973 when the original Prinsendam was built - and it went to the bottom of the sea.

I have a great book called "A bridge to the Seven Seas" and was written by Schapp & Schaap. It is a history of HAL and on page 116 - it lists the names, tonnage and service life of every HAL ship between 1873 and 1973.

There are some other great names that could be resserected: i.e Edam (there were 4 of those), Didam, Leerdam, Dubbeldam, Spaarndam PLUS many other ships with the suffix - DYK ie Maasdyk, Vechtdyk Gaasterdyk - to name a few.

It would seem to me that Prinsendam really isn't a cherished name afterall. I wonder if Mr. Giersdorf knows that?


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posted 05-22-2001 12:08 AM      Profile for Thad   Email Thad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If my memory serves me, i think that Prinsendam was the original name chosen forthe beloved Nieuw Amsterdam of 1938. Only at the last minute was it changed to N.A. before the ship was launched by the Queen. The think the royal connotation is one of the reasons that the name is so well thought of within the company. Jekyll, I like some of the other names as well, but the -dyk namrs were always used on the Line's cargo ships, never its Liners. Personaly I like Schiedam.

Thad


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Thanks Thad...I sort of thought looking at the pics of the "Dyk" ships that they were cargo or cargo/passenger ships but didn't want to be that specific as I was unsure. Interesting about the N.A. of 38. Thasnk for the insight!
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Jekyll...I believe that the name "Edam" was one of those considered. Still wondering who made the final decision.
I have written to Kirk Lanterman with copies to David Giersdorf and also Micky Arison, however, I am sure unless they get lots of bad feedback against the name "Prinsendam" things will not change.
Have spoken with two officers who were on Prinsendam in 1980 during the fire and one said "it would be a BAD thing to name it Prinsendam". The other one said that name "should be taboo"!

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