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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-05-2002 03:57 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My Granny passed away a left me an inheritance of $500 million. I have decided to spend it on a ‘Voyager of the Seas’, type cruise ship.

Q: How long will it take me to get my initial investment back?

We can assume that she has 3000 berths, which are all full every week. The berths are all the same fare, $1000 per week. She also collects another $500 per week from each passenger for excursions, onboard purchases and gambling. The Hotel crew are paid nothing, which is probably near the truth. The 200 Officers and other skilled crew get paid $1500 per month. There are no maintenance costs because she is a new ship (unlikely, I know). Obviously the food, drink and gift shop stock has a large weekly cost. The fuel is also is a major expense.

Q: What sort of annual profit can I expect, after I have recouped my initial investment?


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Steve Read (sread)
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posted 05-05-2002 06:39 AM      Profile for Steve Read (sread)   Author's Homepage   Email Steve Read (sread)   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you're only proposing to pay the officers GBP 1,000 a month, you'll probably never get your money back because the ship will just be going round in circles with nobody at the wheel!

Anyway, I am in fact your long-lost uncle and you're not getting a penny of mummy's money.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-05-2002 08:02 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
O.k. I'll give them a pay rise, $2000 per month -is that still mean?
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Steve Read (sread)
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posted 05-05-2002 09:11 AM      Profile for Steve Read (sread)   Author's Homepage   Email Steve Read (sread)   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, I have no idea what the salaries are for officers. But I would expect that cruise ship captains would be around the 90-100K mark, does anyone know?

Using your figures ($4,500,000 per week coming in from fares and shipboard spending, and $100,000 per week going out in your abysmally-low wages!) you'd make your money back in Week 116.

But that's before you spend a dime on any operating costs like fuel, food, leg-irons to shackle your unpaid hotel staff at night, and horse-hair whips for flogging under-achievers.

If we assume that all the added costs mean that the ship actually makes a profit of 25 percent per pax, that cuts your weekly income to $1,125,000 and you get your investment back in Week 446. Or 8.5 years.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-05-2002 09:25 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by sread:
..leg-irons to shackle your unpaid hotel staff at night, and horse-hair whips for flogging under-achievers.

Apparently, Carnival and others pay thier cabin stewards about £1 per week! It is us, the passengers that pay there wages, with tips!

I assume the £1 pay is so the cruise line can claim that they are legally employees - no minimum wage legislation at sea, me thinks?

I'm not sure Captains are that highly paid? I once read that the Cruise Directors often earn more than the Captains?

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Steve Read (sread)
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posted 05-05-2002 09:31 AM      Profile for Steve Read (sread)   Author's Homepage   Email Steve Read (sread)   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Really?? If true, both are appalling.
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gohaze
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posted 05-05-2002 10:22 AM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcolm...for that amount you could buy a controlling interest in a fair size company and have several ships to play with.
...peter

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-05-2002 11:34 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by gohaze:
Malcolm...for that amount you could buy a controlling interest in a fair size company and have several ships to play with.
...peter

Nope, I want my own ship "Oliver of the Seas".

Sread, the low wages are true, be it £1 or £2. They certainly have to work like dogs. If all the passengers are generous tippers, the staff can do pretty well, if not...

I think this is why some British ships include our tips within the fare. As us Brits do not really believe in tipping (or we are simply too mean) they cannot trust us to pay thier staff properly!


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Colin
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posted 05-05-2002 01:17 PM      Profile for Colin   Email Colin   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
... some British ships include our tips within the fare.

You mean, they include the staff wages in the fare!

BoB Dickinson of Carnival was on some program the other night and he said their cabin stewards, waiters etc., were paid US$45 a month, or about UK£1 per day.

I saw a list of earnings somewhere as well. The Captain came around fourth or fifth on the list. A big name entertainer was top (but you don't see many of them nowadays), the maitre d' and the cruise director were next and I'm sure there was someone else above the captain but I can't remember who. Regards, Colin.


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origo
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posted 05-05-2002 02:46 PM      Profile for origo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Salarys for deck officers:

FYI.

RCCL, witch are a medium salary company pays about 6000 USD a month for a first officer, nothing at home.

A captain makes about the double including bonus and so on.

You also need to pay medical insurances flights etc.

You need to have to persons per position because they work three month and are home three.

If you accept Italian or greek officers it gets a little bit cheeper but not that mutch.

This salarys are forflag of convinience ships where the officers don´t have to pay any tax. If you want to have a norwegian flag it gets more excpencive.


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titanicsteve
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posted 05-05-2002 05:46 PM      Profile for titanicsteve   Email titanicsteve   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well I know that a purser gets $2000 a month!
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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 05-05-2002 07:11 PM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcolm,

With your figures, you would generate a total of USD $234,000,000 in revenue per year. Figuring a pre-tax operating margin of 8% with a one ship fleet, you'd be showing a profit per year of USD $17,200,000. The operating margins reflect debt service on a 15 year note.

Chances are that if your revenues are good and the ship is full, you could probably have the ship written down in 8-10 years.


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nzmike
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posted 05-05-2002 09:43 PM      Profile for nzmike   Email nzmike   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcolm - there are a number of other costs you need to include, being the port charges including wharf services, piloit, tugs (sometimes needed on standby), plus the food, consumables, water costs, engineering costs (some maintenance is always required incl lube supplies etc), communications costs, and all the costs of running the company's head office which need to be covered by the profits made by the ships. Having had some involvement in accounting for cargo shipping I can imagine that the even more complex cruise ships would have a lot of hidden costs.
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RuthPerk
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posted 05-06-2002 08:18 AM      Profile for RuthPerk   Email RuthPerk   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
My Granny passed away a left me an inheritance of $500 million. I have decided to spend it on a ‘Voyager of the Seas’, type cruise ship.

And all of your friends from Cruise Talk get a free cruise, right?????


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