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William
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posted 08-02-2002 10:59 AM      Profile for William   Email William   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sick passengers threaten to sue cruise-ship line

Susan Lazaruk

The Province

Friday, August 02, 2002

the province
Workers wear gloves and masks to handle passengers' luggage.

The Province
George and Marian Dackenstoes, who became sick with the virus.

The Province
(George) Cataldo

The Province
The cruise ship Ryndam, after it berthed at Canada Place yesterday.

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Irate passengers who became sick while cruising to Alaska on the twice-stricken ship Ryndam are threatening to sue Holland America for their ruined vacations.

"There were a lot of angry people on board that ship," said California lawyer Todd Melnik, who sailed the seven- day Alaska cruise with six family members, five of whom were struck by the Norwalk- type stomach virus.

"My one-year-old nephew was dehydrated -- he had diarrhea for four days and the dry heaves," said Melnik, who collected names from 90 people willing to consider joining a class-action lawsuit.

"There needs to be generous compensation, and I think we would be more effective dealing with Holland America as a group rather than individually," Melnik said from his L.A. office late yesterday. "We were all put at risk."

On the previous sailing of the Ryndam, 170 passengers had suffered through the bug.

"They didn't inform us until we got on board and they didn't make it seem all that big a deal," said Melnik. "They just said make sure you wash your hands."

He said the cruise line should have given passengers the option of cancelling.

Some 243 passengers and crew on the latest cruise were stricken by the common virus, which causes a swift attack of diarrhea, vomiting, stomach pains and fever that lasts for 24 to 48 hours. It's spread by person-to-person contact and through contaminated food or water. It can be spread through the air, for instance, if someone is in close contact with an ill person's vomit.

"I called before we left and they would not tell us anything," said Mary-Lou McCaffery of Lebanon, Penn., who wasn't ill but whose travelling companions were.

"I never washed my hands so much in my life," said McCaffery. "And I prayed a lot. But I felt very uneasy. The sick people in our group, they were told to drink lots of ginger ale and then they charged them $1.75 [US] a can."

She expects the cruise line to compensate them with free trips.

George Cataldo, 78, a plumber from Springhill, Fla., who was sick for four days, said: "I never vomited so much in my life. All I could eat was crackers. And they ran out of crackers.

"There are people talking about a class action and you bet I'm going to be in on it. I didn't take a cruise to get sick for four days."

George Dackenstoes, also of Lebanon, Penn., said he was now feeling "as slick as a hair on a frog's back" and his bout with the bug was "short-lived but nasty."

His wife Marian, who suffered nausea, said: "You were afraid to get in an elevator. You were afraid to touch the handrails."

One day, they had to step around a pool of vomit in front of an elevator, she said.

Diane Todd of Champaign, Ill., said she was sick for 24 hours and it didn't ruin her cruise.

"The staff were great, we had a wonderful trip," she said.

Just as disappointed as those coming off the ship were those who showed up expecting to board for yesterday's cancelled

5 p.m. sailing because the cruise line couldn't contact 200 of the 1,300 passengers.

John and Marge Kress, who travelled from Wisconsin for the cruise to mark their 30th anniversary, found out the Ryndam wouldn't be sailing when they pulled up in a cab.

"It was like hitting a brick wall," said Marge. "And we saw a family of 13 from Israel with a baby crying and another couple with a guy who was being treated for cancer. It's just a mess."

"We're really bummed," said John, who noted they'd heard the night before of a cruise being cancelled but assumed it wasn't theirs.

"What really makes me mad is that our travel agent knew there was a virus on the other sailing but didn't tell us," he said.

It's an industry-wide policy that no refunds are given within days before the sailing, and Holland America wasn't offering refunds last week.

Fares for yesterday's cancelled trip, which run from $1,800 to $2,900 in high season, will be refunded and passengers will get a voucher for future travel, said Rose Abello of Holland America.

She said company and health officials were confident they had eliminated the virus during the ship's nine-hour turnover last week.

"We believed it made sense to continue sailing," she said. "It's disappointing to us to have customers falling ill. This impacted fewer than 13 per cent of the passengers; 87 per cent of the folks had a great trip."

The Ryndam is to be docked on the North Shore where its crew of 560 will decontaminate it, said Harsh Thakore of Health Canada, which is supervising the cleaning with the U.S. Center for Disease Control.

Items such as bedding will be soaked in a bleach solution, which will also be used to wipe down hard surfaces such as railings and doorknobs, said Thakore. Hydrogen peroxide will be used on non- bleachable items. Other items, such as pillows, will be destroyed.

The ship is expected to sail again Aug. 8.

http://www.canada.com/vancouver/theprovince/story.asp?id={EDAFF326-9BE7-41D1-9B0F-40C14521C376}


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moodus2
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posted 08-02-2002 11:42 AM      Profile for moodus2   Email moodus2   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i feel sorry for those that
became ill. holland american
is offering full refunds and
credit for a future cruise.
i doubt the passengers will
get any more through a law
suit. good luck!

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cruiseny
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posted 08-02-2002 11:47 AM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello,

I do feel bad for those who have been ill but I do not see where this is HAL's fault. Technically I don't think they should be obligated to provide any compensation, and their offer to do so is a sign of their goodwill towards these passengers.

Happy Cruising,
Cruiseny


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Blue Rinse
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posted 08-03-2002 09:21 AM      Profile for Blue Rinse     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cruiseny:
Hello,

I do feel bad for those who have been ill but I do not see where this is HAL's fault.


I'm not so sure. Shouldn't HAL have done a better job after this thing struck the week before? And what about those poor people only finding out about the cancellation when they got out of their cab.


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cruiseny
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posted 08-03-2002 10:32 AM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello,

Welcome aboard Blue Rinse... You'll find we have a lot of other people here from Toronto . (Not me, obviously, but some of our most vocal posters).

It is what you might call an "iffy" situation. Certainly it is not as frivolous as many other lawsuits... But I don't know if there is a valid case or not. It is difficult to judge as we have few details.

Happy Cruising,
Cruiseny


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gohaze
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posted 08-03-2002 10:59 AM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Quite frankly I think HAL just plain blew it. They should have taken her out for a thorough cleaning the first time. There was the example from last year with Princess and that's what they did to break the cycle.
So really they had no excuse, and if that 'bottom-feeder' from LA does a class action on them...GOOD
Maybe the next time they won't be so stupid - of course what makes it worse is that HAL's head office is in Seattle so they should have been right on top of it during the week when it was developing.
...peter

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PamM
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posted 08-03-2002 11:46 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Health officials" were also confident it was eliminated last week too. There's always the outside chance that a new passenger boarded bringing it with him/her causing a 2nd entirely unrelated outbreak. It's not clear if people began getting ill before or after the 1st port of call. It could have been picked up anywhere, even from eating Alaskan oysters I think I read once. maybe Alaska [and Dennis] have the ultimate plan to get rid of the ships. Even if completely free on her next sailing, another passenger could bring it aboard again Seems to be a horrible virus. Perhaps they should also be suing the Alaskan authorities or find the pax who brought it aboard.
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gohaze
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posted 08-03-2002 12:23 PM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pam...to put it one way - there's a lot of it going around this year. A week ago there was an outbreak at a childrens camp on one of the islands, they sent them home and closed it down for a thorough cleaning. 2 seniors homes in the Interior are currently quaranteened with it. There have been 2 outbreaks on VIA Rail trains. And so on....
You have to shut it down, thoroughly clean and allow 48 or 72 hours to be sure.
Last year and before it was pax getting on in Anchorage who were bringing it on board, this year it's been from Vancouver. Looks like the crew carried it over.
...peter

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PamM
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posted 08-03-2002 01:46 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'd never heard of this virus until last year, but on looking it up it's very nasty indeed. Spreads all too easily and seems it's a bad year for it. I certainly hope they manage to rid Ryndam of it this week. I still don't think suing anyone is the way to go, but no doubt some lawyers think so.

Pam


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James
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posted 08-03-2002 06:03 PM      Profile for James   Email James   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As far as lawsuits go - I'm not an attorney, but remember that shipboard problems are governed by maritime law, not the "common law" to which we are accustomed. I think it will be pretty difficult to collect,and any restitution will be very small.
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posted 08-03-2002 07:07 PM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pam...They say that after the common cold the gastro-intestinal virus' are the next most common in the US. Of those about 1/3rd belong to the "norwalk" type. So that makes them pretty common, but you only get big outbreaks if the conditions are right and a cruiseship is a good place especially with lots of older people who are more susceptible.
...peter

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