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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 09-11-2002 09:13 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
September 10:

The controversial unused COSTA CLASSICA mid-body section built by Cammel Laird has evidently been sold to Ukraine interests for breaking somewhere in Europe.

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Eric Cruises
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posted 09-11-2002 11:07 AM      Profile for Eric Cruises   Author's Homepage   Email Eric Cruises   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, break?? too waste!

Why Costa don't put the mid-body in the COSTA CLASSICA class vessel?


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posted 09-11-2002 11:25 AM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From Cruise News...

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CostaClassica Mid-Section Will Finally Leave Ship Yard

The 146 foot cruise ship mid-section that has been sitting in a British ship yard for the past 18 months has been sold for scrap and will be towed to Russia for breaking up. The section, which contains 15 decks and 350 cabins, a sun deck, and shopping promenade was built as part of a plan to expand the size of Costa Crociere's Costa Classica back in 2000. Costa Crociere, which is a unit of Carnival Corporation had contracted with the shipyard to have the 146 foot section of new build added to the middle of the 53,700 ton ship which would have increased the vessels overall length to 864 feet.

The scrapping signals the end of a project that at one time was hailed as the beginning of a new life for British ship yard Cammel Laird. The $72 million cruise ship conversion contract was the largest individual contract for the Liverpool shipyard and the loss of the contract had a significant impact on the company's financial viability and contributed heavily to the eventual closing of the ship yard.

At the time of the cancellation of the contract the Costa Classica was actually en route to the ship yard when she was called back to Genoa by Costa. Costa Crociere claimed that it had postponed delivery of the liner because work at the shipyard was behind schedule and that the quality of the project was not up to standards.



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Fairsky
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posted 09-11-2002 12:13 PM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Was it not shortly after the cancellation of the stretching that Costa announced the order of Costa Magica and Costa Fortuna (Destiny-class) ships from Fincantieri- as well as the transfer of Costa Europa (former Westerdam)?

It seems that the growth in capacity through these 3 new ship made stretching the Classica an expensive and unnecessary job. I wonder if the issue really was quality of construction- or just reneging on a contract by Costa/Carnival Corp?


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posted 09-11-2002 01:07 PM      Profile for Italian Cruiser   Email Italian Cruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Skyej, you are in part correct.
In the same period Carnival announced the transfer of the Tropicale to Costa Crociere. At first the Westerdam was supposed to sail as the Costa Homerica ( an horrific name... ) only for the german cruise market. Few months later Costa announced the transfer of the Costa Marina to this market.
Previously there was a photo of the " new " Costa Classica on La Dolce Vita, the Costa's magazine... Simply ugly with the addition of another deck of balconied cabins... the Galileo disco was barely visible...

[ 09-11-2002: Message edited by: Italian Cruiser ]


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empressport
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posted 09-11-2002 02:49 PM      Profile for empressport     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Italian Cruiser:
[QB]... At first the Westerdam was supposed to sail as the Costa Homerica ( an horrific name... ) only for the german cruise market....


You're right, that's awful. What about "Costa Lotta" instead


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posted 09-11-2002 05:21 PM      Profile for Italian Cruiser   Email Italian Cruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Empressport, is it a joke ???

In italian the word " lotta " means fight ....precisely a match between two men in the greek-roman tradition...

The word Homerica instead doesn't exist in my language...


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rd77
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posted 09-12-2002 10:35 AM      Profile for rd77   Email rd77   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
[QUOTE] Previously there was a photo of the " new " Costa Classica on La Dolce Vita, the Costa's magazine... Simply ugly with the addition of another deck of balconied cabins... the Galileo disco was barely visible... [UNQUOTE]

Italiancruiser,

Is there any chance of you scanning that artists' impression? Would be very interesting to see!


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posted 09-12-2002 12:15 PM      Profile for Italian Cruiser   Email Italian Cruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

Here is the photo of the " New " Costa Classica, taken from La Dolce Vita, Costa onboard magazine 2000.
I'm not interested to create a gallery on her, because I have the intention to share with the members only the photos personally taken by me...


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Thad
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posted 09-12-2002 12:26 PM      Profile for Thad   Email Thad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Besides the Stacks looking to small, I actually think that that the ship looks pretty nice. You would not necessarily know that the ship was stretched. I think that they balanced it out nicely. Adding a deck above the life bousta, lessens the impact of the high pure wide sides below. I like it.
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cruiseny
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posted 09-12-2002 12:28 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
She doesn't look too bad stretched, but I think she's better the way she is... In person she is actually a beautiful ship IMHO.
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Onno
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posted 09-12-2002 01:45 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Some how I completely missed the storry of Costa plan to stretch the ship let alone that the stretched part was already made and now scraped! I wouldn’t mind it if Costa Classica was stretched with lengthening the row of balconies. The Classica and Romantica have IMHO the most stylish balconies seen on a modern ship and of course the small amount of balconies also makes the ships look better (less is more!) Imagine the Costa Classica with an entire side wall of those rounded balconies that would be a scare!

BTW was the Romantica also going to be stretched or only the Classica?

Best, Onno


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posted 09-12-2002 03:03 PM      Profile for Italian Cruiser   Email Italian Cruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Onno, also the Costa Romantica was supposed to be stretched during the winter 2001, but Costa hasn't ever reveiled the detailed plans for this ship. The new Costa Classica was supposed to take the place of the Costa Victoria on the caribbean cruises from Fort Lauderdale. The Costa Victoria, after the entering in service of the Costa Atlantica is heavily discounted in the United States for a main reason: her cabins are very small and none is equipped with a private balcony.
Carnival corporation didn't acquire the unfinished Costa Olympia for this reason. Infact this ship emerged as the Norwegian Sky with the same small cabins, even if with two rows of balconies.
The Victoria is expected to leave the american cruise market next year, after the arrival of the brand new Costa Mediterranea and Costa Fortuna. Probably she will be based at Pointe é Pitre ( Guadaloupe ) for the cruises destined to the european market.

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rd77
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posted 09-13-2002 09:00 AM      Profile for rd77   Email rd77   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Italian cruiser: thanks for the swift reply! Much appreciated. Indeed, she actually looks a lot less bad than I thought she would. Still, not an improvement over the way the ship looks now. It was going to be the biggest stretch / rebuilding ever on a cruise ship. The Classica would have measured about 78,000 GRT after rebuilding, jumping from 53,000 GRT...
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joe at travelpage
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posted 09-13-2002 11:31 AM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's a photo of the infamous mid-section...

Joe at TravelPage.com


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Onno
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posted 09-13-2002 11:49 AM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Italian Cruiser:
The Costa Victoria, after the entering in service of the Costa Atlantica is heavily discounted in the United States for a main reason: her cabins are very small and none is equipped with a private balcony.

Indeed a hard fact. Costa Victoria is externally a rather smart looking ship but if you do not integrate balconies nowadays the ship will be less successful it’s just a fact. Though I don’t understand why cabins should have balconies, if you take a cruise why spend all that wonderful time in your cabin with a balcony!

That’s a bit of a said picture the “unrecognizable” midsection drifting a bit in the water.

Onno


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Fairsky
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posted 09-13-2002 01:58 PM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm surprised NCL has not picked up this random piece of hull as well. Weld a bow to the front and it would be a perfect companion to the hideous project america ship!
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Onno
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posted 09-15-2002 06:10 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
On the following link there are more pictures of the tow away operation of the COSTA CLASSICA mid section Link to pictures

Onno


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gohaze
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posted 09-15-2002 10:58 PM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just my 2cents worth about why Costa turned the ship around at the last moment. Cammell Laird had no progress payments in the contract and had borrowed all the money to complete it.
Well, evidently they had already spent all of that and couldn't expect any from Costa till the satisfactory completion of the ship. I figure Carnival took one look and no way did they want their ship sitting in two pieces whilst CL went into recievership and the botton-feeders made a fortune.
Too bad really, a once great shipyard that had lost it's expertise and a management that was so hungry it lost all normal business common sense.
...peter

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PamM
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posted 09-16-2002 03:34 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why would they have given the contract initially to CL then Peter? Carnival would have known the situation at the outset.

I don't believe the poor quality of construction story myself, as the building of section would have been overseen by the underwriter at every step. If there were bones to pick with the quality then wouldn't that lay on the underwriter's doorstep for approving as it went along?

Pam


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Budgie
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posted 09-16-2002 04:13 AM      Profile for Budgie   Email Budgie   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I do not believe that quality was the issue, just the excuse to get out of something that was no longer required. I do not believe that this contract has been offered to any other ship builder! I agree though that CL were very naive to have no progress payments. I have posted about this before so I will not repeat myself further.
As an aside if you click on the link given by Onno time ref. 18.41 shows the Liverpool Anglican Cathedral just to the right of the section and 18.53 shows the Liver building on the left with the smaller Cunard building next to it.
I found it ironic that the extension section that bankrupt CL has to be towed past such a famous building, especially when the company it was built for and named after is now part of the same group that sealed the yards fate.

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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 09-16-2002 07:50 AM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
All these assertations that Carnival is responsible for the demise of CL are ludicrous.

CL lost many other contracts prior to the Costa Classica fiasco and they also took a heavy hit from their ownership interests in the Big Red Boat II; the exposure there was tens of millions.

Additionally, it was NOT in Costa's best interests not to have the ship stretched as planned. They had spent millions on new furnishings for the ship, lost millions of dollars in revenues with having the ship out of service for the winter and they had already stripped the ship of it's furnishings and been performing pre-stretch "prep" work as the ship headed for the yard.

In addition, the stretch would have given Costa tens of millions in new revenue from the added capacity and new balcony cabins.

Costa's project managers gave CL several warnings that the work was not up to par and they were worried that the stretch job would run woefully behind schedule.

CL had previously done a bang up job for one of Costa's owners; Airtours. But a job of this size and scope was obviously beyond the yard's capacity.

Can you honestly blame a ship owner for not wanting a $350 million ship left languishing in a ship yard cut in two?

--Tim


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gohaze
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posted 09-16-2002 08:05 AM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Part of the problem was that the yard had no recent experience in that type of construction. Most of their work had been for the Government (more or less cost-plus) which is entirely different,especially financially. To get the contract bidding against experienced yards, they shaved everything to the bone, and didn't have the controls in place to make it work.
It said part of the auction was a huge wharehouse full of thousands of items from galley equipment to toilets - what was that stuff doing there? In places like Fincantieri all that is sub-contractor stuff that they fit as and when required at the exact right time. Something wrong there.

Pam... the underwriters don't get involved in surveys/inspections etc. That is what the Classification Societies do. They make the Construction 'Rules' and their Surveyors check to see that the ship is built to the plans which they have "Approved". These plans are drawn by the Company's Naval Architect and in conjunction with the yard's. It varies by Country but some plans have to be submitted to Government Depts for approval as well.

If one critisizes the standard of workmanship in cases like this then one steps on very sensitive toes, particularly here, and I don't intend to do that. I'll just say I was brought up doing refits/drydockings in that area and I wasn't impressed in those days.

I still think Carnival was wrong to put the contract there, but right to break it in the circumstances.
...peter


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