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Onno
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posted 01-23-2003 04:22 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Now I’m confused, I know that in the old days the eventual ship could differ from the initial design drawings and that alterations where made during construction. But I thought that nowadays ship building was more accurate and that the bleu prints are exactly as the ship will be.

So why is Cunard altering QM2’s fore castle? See the picture below. In al the QM2 material and renditions and even the official model the ends of the forecastle have large windowed observation lookouts. Where the library and the commodore club are going to be. Now in the construction picture of the fore castle these windows are gone and replaced by the small windows of the type that are on the front part of the forecastle.

I liked the larger windows, knowing that the ship is designed to reflect the famous liners of old I had the impression that the large windows where supposed to simulate the open observation decks of the original Queen Mary. Now that that feature is gone (and judging from the looks of the construction picture they wont be installed anymore) what changes can we expect further on in the construction.

Does someone know why this alteration is made and why it isn’t shown on Cunard’s own official renditions?

Best, Onno


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Fairsky
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posted 01-23-2003 04:53 PM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My guess is those were never intended to be full lenght windows... they will only be painted to appear that way- similar to the three bands on the side of RCI's Sovereign-class ships.

I don't believe the design has been altered- you have just misinterpreted what appears on the model and artist reditions.


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Captain Rhone
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posted 01-23-2003 05:49 PM      Profile for Captain Rhone   Email Captain Rhone   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe they will paint it black and have black windows but I thought it would all be glass black windows in those spots?
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Onno
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posted 01-23-2003 06:02 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Painted bands could be the solution, though this rendition clearly shows it to be windows.
At least I hope the strokes will stay (may it be glass or black paint), because I rather like the dark “strokes”.

Best, Onno


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Barryboat
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posted 01-23-2003 08:27 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The artist rendition above and the model definitely show the windows are different than the rest of the structure...I like the original design, but they may have went for this new way because those front windows can really take a pounding from the ocean...and structurally the new design would be more solid....and safe. It's the only thing I can think of as to why they made the change????
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Waynaro
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posted 01-23-2003 11:08 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is this just me or am I seeing a design that looks something like the Grand-Class in the front?

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miami cruiser
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posted 01-26-2003 01:01 AM      Profile for miami cruiser   Email miami cruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The pictures of the front of the QM2 Onno posted above clearly shows the "CUNARD" letters either etched out or raised. It looks as though they will have the same lettering style as on QE2 and what Cunard currently uses on all their promotional items. The big fold-out computerized image of the QM2 in her brochure shows the big "CUNARD" letters in a different, thinner typeface. I like the bolder letters better and am glad to see they will be on the new Queen.
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 01-26-2003 01:39 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not a great image, I know, but this lump of metal will form the QM2's stern.

You can just about make out her name and port of registration.


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Michael534
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posted 01-26-2003 08:04 PM      Profile for Michael534   Email Michael534   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
HI!

I didin't notice the lettering until miamicruiser mentioned them. Good eye! I'm confused, though. You can clearly see the ARD, but where is the CUN going to go? The A starts on the corner! And on all the renderings it shows the name one deck lower. Is what we are looking at somthing that is sitting next to the ship?

As far as the original post about the design change... It looks to me that the builder photo shows the curved/forward area as being narrower at the top. Notice that the drawings all show an even number of windows on each deck. The actual ships windows are not alighned as shown in the drawings.

Michael534


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Captain Rhone
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posted 01-26-2003 09:12 PM      Profile for Captain Rhone   Email Captain Rhone   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Looks like they will add a curve with the rest of the lettering if you look at the pic and the construction block.
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Waynaro
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posted 01-29-2003 04:55 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I noticed that not only the funnel is like the QE2, but so is the bridge.
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Onno
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posted 01-29-2003 05:08 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
She is a bid from everything to be precise. Her breakwaters reminds us of Normandie, the ventilation shafts reminds us of the France, the Funnel and bridge of the QE2, her forecastle is a stylized version of the Queen Mary, her bow and stern resemble that of the QE2. And her terraced aft decks we can see in al sorts of ships.

Best, Onno

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posted 01-29-2003 10:59 PM      Profile for BTF        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The final physical ship coming out of the shipyard always ends up looking slightly different from the artist`s drawings in the beginning. During construction there are always design changes as the shipyard gets under way, hopefully not too many (costwise)and hopefully for the better(designwise).

We wait with anticipation and growing impatience for the new Queen to come out.


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Waynaro
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posted 01-29-2003 11:18 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What is the two poles behind the funnel for? It reminds me of the Rotterdam IV and the Doric.
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Onno
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posted 01-30-2003 04:44 AM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
What is the two poles behind the funnel for? It reminds me of the Rotterdam IV and the Doric.

These are the ventilation shafts for the kitchens, though they look a bit like Rotterdam V smoke uptakes they are actually more like the France/Norway aft ventilation shafts.

quote:
During construction there are always design changes as the shipyard gets under way, hopefully not too many (costwise)and hopefully for the better(designwise).
We wait with anticipation and growing impatience for the new Queen to come out.

At least she will be unique in appearance, I cant imagine Cunard ever building a sister ship of the QM2-class.

Best, Onno


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titanicsteve
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posted 01-30-2003 03:13 PM      Profile for titanicsteve   Email titanicsteve   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree with Barryboat! I thought of the fact that if a wave hits one of those huge windows it would be a very drafty voyage indeed! Although saying this it would look swell with those lines instead!
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posted 01-30-2003 05:05 PM      Profile for jeffrossatsea   Email jeffrossatsea   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
geesh onno....i LOVE the renderings of the QM2 you do...if you ever decide to make post cards of them...let me know...i'll definatly buy all of them....jeff
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Onno
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posted 01-30-2003 05:12 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by jeffrossatsea:
geesh onno....i LOVE the renderings of the QM2 you do...if you ever decide to make post cards of them...let me know...i'll definatly buy all of them....jeff

That would be something, I have quite some renditions of QM2 from different angels to make an interesting set of cards.

Best, Onno


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posted 01-31-2003 01:48 AM      Profile for Keitaro1   Email Keitaro1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Onno, do you know why one of the earlier artist rendering shows only one ventilation shaft compare to your rendering. Am I missing some design alteration?

Early one released by Cunard:

Onno's:

Did anyone noticed that Cunard borrowed some design from Princess's Grand-Class vessels(look somewhere in the top of this page)?


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posted 02-02-2003 08:59 PM      Profile for JudyJB        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Onno, you are right about her being a bit of everything. I was on the QE2 last spring where one of the lecturers was the marine architect of the QM2. He said he copied the bow and the thing the wave breaks against if it goes over the bow (sorry I don't know the right name) from the France, which he said he thought was the most beautiful ship ever built. There are also elements of the bow from the QE2.
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posted 02-03-2003 04:22 AM      Profile for rd77   Email rd77   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Keitaro,

Onno's rendering reflects the most recent appearance of the ship. The drawing you posted at the top of your post was made when the order for the ship was placed in late 2000. Some changes were made since then and they are reflected in Onno's rendering...


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Onno
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posted 02-03-2003 06:43 AM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by JudyJB:
Onno, you are right about her being a bit of everything. I was on the QE2 last spring where one of the lecturers was the marine architect of the QM2. He said he copied the bow and the thing the wave breaks against if it goes over the bow (sorry I don't know the right name) from the France, which he said he thought was the most beautiful ship ever built. There are also elements of the bow from the QE2.


Hi Judy,

Like the in modern car design you find many retro shapes that reflect the old days but then a bit styled, the QM2 is also build up out of retro shapes we know from the classic liners in a restyled package. Not only are the France and QE2’s bow great in apearnce they are also efficient, so it is not strange to see that QM2 will have a similar bow shape. I would have loved to see one of Mr. Payne’s lectures about QM2 but it was not to be, maybe you could share some interesting info about QM2’s design.

Best, Onno


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Onno
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posted 02-03-2003 06:51 AM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by rd77:
Keitaro,

Onno's rendering reflects the most recent appearance of the ship. The drawing you posted at the top of your post was made when the order for the ship was placed in late 2000. Some changes were made since then and they are reflected in Onno's rendering...


Indeed QM2’s design and details has changed a little bit. Some of the early renditions show that her funnel was taller and the windshields around the funnel smaller (more QE2 like). Due to technical reason (mainly clearing the bridge to New York) the funnel can not be taller as it is going to be now. Because the funnel is smaller the wind shields had to be bigger to get the most effective airflow. Another change are the arrangement of the lifeboats and the arrangement of the privet verandas. And of course the double kitchen ventilation shafts which look nicer and more balanced than a single one.

Best, Onno

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I was on QE2 during Stephen Payne's lecture on QM2 last year. He actually said he copied the Normandie, rather than the France. I posted a synopsis of his remarks last June.
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Onno came across this the other day! It was one of Cunard's first impressions of the ship! Note the way it has very few windows at the front and no long ones!

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