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joe at travelpage
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posted 03-06-2003 10:58 AM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Associated Press is reporting that the city of Monterey, California has banned the Crystal Harmony from it's harbor after Crystal Cruises admitted dumping bilge water in the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary.

The indcident happended in October when the ship discharged more than 36,000 gallons of dirty water. The discharge consisted mostly of gray water, produced from kitchens and showers, but also included 264 gallons of treated black water, contaminated by human waste, and 2,118 gallons of processed bilge water, which contains oil and other lubricants from the ship's hull.

"This is a very serious incident," said Carl Anderson, Monterey's director of public facilities. "While we appreciate that Crystal has been forthcoming in reporting the dumping and has taken disciplinary actions, there is no doubt that they have violated their agreement with the City."

In a letter to the State Water Resources Control Board, Crystal Cruises said it had fired the ship's chief officer and given warnings to the captain and a junior officer after the incident.

"Crystal Cruises sincerely apologizes for the incident and truly regrets that vessel personnel did not comply with the firm instructions given them with respect to the call in Monterey," wrote Joseph Valenti, Crystal Cruises' vice president of marine operations.


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Oh well, they deserve it.

CGT


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posted 03-06-2003 04:57 PM      Profile for Ðraikar   Email Ðraikar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
why give a warning to the junior officer, i don't see his role in all this ?

Ðraikar


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posted 03-06-2003 06:25 PM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Because he was probably the one who actually goofed up. A junior engineer??
....peter

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posted 03-07-2003 10:35 AM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As a Travel Agent I just received an e-mail from Crystal Cruises regarding this incident...profusly apologizing for the unfortunate event.
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posted 03-07-2003 10:39 AM      Profile for Brian the Cavalier   Email Brian the Cavalier   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm not really sure if they should be punishing the entire cruise line for the incompetence of one officer. Crystal has made it clear that it did not support the actions and has already fired the guy. . . what more do they want from Crystal?

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Ultimately it is the Cruise Line that is at fault.

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posted 03-07-2003 11:54 AM      Profile for Brian the Cavalier   Email Brian the Cavalier   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ultimately, yes you are correct. But I just think Monterey is being a little harsh to impose the ban. Perhaps they should work out a deal where Crystal agrees to clean up the equivalent of what it messed up. I think this would be a much more effective consequent.
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posted 03-07-2003 04:45 PM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I see that the incident occurred 14 miles offshore. Being outside the 12 mile limit no laws or regulations were broken - just Company policies.
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I'm all for harsh penaties. It's the ONLY way to stop companies from breaking rules. Corporations will do anything they can to get away with whatever they can. Simple fines are nothing. Being banned is really something to them. I'm originally from California and I value the Monterey Marine Sanctuary. They dump, they get booted. End of Story. Other lines will think twice.

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INFORMATION REGARDING CRYSTAL HARMONY’S UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT IN MONTEREY


Regrettably, on October 9, 2002, despite explicit written and verbal orders to the contrary Crystal Harmony discharged appropriately treated wastewater while the ship was in transit and crossed within a portion of the boundaries of the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary. This unfortunate incident took place approximately 14 miles off shore. (Maritime laws allow discharges of even untreated blackwater more than 12 miles off shore.) While this did not violate any maritime law, it did violate a pre-existing commitment we made to the City of Monterey, as well as our own corporate environmental policy.

It is Crystal Cruises’ policy to not discharge in any marine sanctuary – worldwide. Crystal takes its obligations to preserving the environment very seriously and we have been lauded for our efforts. We have made it very clear to all personnel that any infractions of this policy, or any other environmental policies, will result in the immediate dismissal of those individuals involved.

As evidence of our environmental commitment, immediately following our own internal investigation of this matter, we terminated the Chief Officer, who was primarily responsible for the occurrence of this unfortunate incident. In addition, two other senior officers, including the Captain, and a junior officer, were censured and given final warnings. Additionally, we have reiterated to our crew that if laws or regulations are violated in connection with any such incident, Crystal Cruises will fully cooperate with investigating officials. As no laws or government regulations were violated in this incident, no reports of the discharges were made to authorities. However, as soon as the California State Water Resources Control Board requested information about our visit to Monterey, we supplied detailed information regarding our location and the cubic feet of wastewater regrettably released.

This incident is particularly disturbing to us given our aggressive company-wide environmental education program, which includes onboard training, monthly environmental meetings held in our corporate office and on each of the ships, monthly useful environmental tips that are distributed to employees for home use, and environmental updates featured in each of our quarterly employee newsletters.

Crystal Cruises sincerely apologizes for the incident and truly regrets that vessel personnel did not comply with the firm instructions given them with respect to the call in Monterey.

THEY DIDN"T BREAK ANY LAWS/REGULATIONS !!

....peter


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posted 03-07-2003 07:52 PM      Profile for Brian the Cavalier   Email Brian the Cavalier   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
See? So they didn't break any regulations. . . I still think that this penalty is way too harsh. If Crystal is willing to clean up 100% of what it discharged, or even possible 150%, then isn't that a lot more effective than banning them? Other ships will still think twice about doing it, and if they do, then really Monterey benefits from this, as the sanctuary gets cleaner and cleaner.

I think the only real loser in this situation is Monterey. I'm not familiar with the city, but can it afford to ban every ship/line that discharges waste? How dependent is it on the cruise tourism? Cruise lines will have no problems finding new ports to visit, I'm sure.

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There wouldn't have been any damage to clean up. Grey water is what you get from washing etc. Black water is treated sewage.
The ship was moving and the discharge takes time so the grey water would have mixed with the sea in the ships wake and you wouldn't be able to find a trace.
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It does not matter if no laws were broken as the above statement clearly says it was done "...despite explicit written and verbal orders to the contrary..." and they "did violate a pre-existing commitment we made to the City of Monterey...". Monterey has every right to be pissed and ban them. I say ban them for one year. The second part is important. Crystal Cruises made a commitemnet to the City of Monterey, and believe me, the City of Monterey takes it's environment very seriously. Crystal screwed up. Ban them. One year. Other cruise lines as well as Crystal will think twice. The environment is more important than any cruise ship or line.

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P.S. Monterey doesn't need the cruise ships, trust me. It's the cruise ships that want to stop there that need Monterey. Few cruise ships stop there at all and there was a time when NO cruise ships stopped there. Monterey wasn't suffering. The Monterey Peninsula's tourism industry is based not on cruise ships, but Pebble Beach and the famous Golf Tournament, The city of Carmel, the City of Monterey with one of the best Marine Aquariums in the country, the annual Concour's de Elegance at Laguna Seca..also much of the Monterey Peninsula itself is protected. When you drive up north on Highway 1 (the Pacific Coast Highway) through Big Sur, you know where you come out? Monterey. Monterey's tourism is heavily land vacation based. The occasional cruise ship that might stop there is nothing. You have to know California, and Monterey and how they view environmental policy. Monterey can do without Crystal or any cruise line.

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Alright didn't mean to stir things up

A ban for one year - I can definitely deal with that. That seems to be a good policy. A permanent ban, though, I am not too sure about. I guess we'll have to see how things play out.

Like I said, I don't really know the city of Monterey much (Do they make cheese? mmm) and you say you've lived there, so you are definitely a greater authority on the matter


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I didn't live in Monterey but I am from California. Monterey's environmental politics are well known (at least in California).

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So no cheese is what you're telling me. . .
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