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Deck 9 001
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posted 05-25-2003 12:00 PM      Profile for Deck 9 001     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is from NCL's web site.

S/S Norway Media Statement

May 25, 2003 – Today, at approximately 6:30 a.m. while the S/S Norway was at the Port of Miami returning from an Eastern Caribbean cruise; there was an incident in the engine room involving one of the boilers. We are deeply saddened by the death of two crewmembers. Several other crewmembers have been taken to local hospitals.

All 2,135 passengers have been safely disembarked and are being made as comfortable as possible at the Port of Miami and at local hotels until their flights are scheduled. No passengers were injured in the incident.

The May 25th cruise has been cancelled. Embarking passengers are being notified and offered a compensation package of a full refund for the cancelled cruise as well as a future cruise credit certificate equal to the value of the cancelled cruise (cruise only portion).

Anyone needing more information about the cruise cancellation should call 1-800-625-5672.

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Regards,
Mike


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-25-2003 01:28 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here is CNN's report:

Click Here


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Ðraikar
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posted 05-25-2003 01:52 PM      Profile for Ðraikar   Email Ðraikar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is a dark day for Norway.... I hope everyone is ok but i heard there were some deaths as a result of this.
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Britanis
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posted 05-25-2003 03:41 PM      Profile for Britanis   Email Britanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is a tragedy- at least 2 deaths and 20 injuries. Caused by a leaking steam pipe. An engine room fire on a 41 year old ship usually means the end.
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posted 05-25-2003 03:56 PM      Profile for kph06   Email kph06   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Do you think this will have an affect on Big U and Independance's future with NCL?

kevin


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Waynaro
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posted 05-25-2003 04:11 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
kph06 said:
Do you think this will have an affect on Big U and Independance's future with NCL?

I hope NCL can still operate the NORWAY. As far as BIGU and INDY goes, I don't think there would be any impact on their future. They were brought to expand US-operation than to run beside the NORWAY.

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empressport
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posted 05-25-2003 04:44 PM      Profile for empressport     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If she is still able to attract those kinds of passsenger loads, I'm sure she will be with us for a while.
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posted 05-25-2003 05:02 PM      Profile for DAMBROSI   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How terribly sad for this to occur. I hope the rest of the crew members will be okay and their burns are not major ones. Very sad to hear this.
We're booked for the SS NORWAY on Nov. 9th. I hope we'll still be able to sail her.

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Waynaro
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posted 05-25-2003 05:38 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Something else I found on MaritimeMatters:
quote:
A small fire in her aft turbo charger room while entering Barcelona, Spain, on May 28 1999 resulted in the termination of her cruise and the cancellation of the following cruise. She was scheduled to return to service, following repairs at Barcelona, on June 12 1999.

It seems like her engine room already had problems back in 1999.

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posted 05-25-2003 07:17 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Though it is a terrible thing that happened, considering the human lives that where lost and the many injured. It does not necessarily mean that the Norway is finished. That will depend on how extensive the damage is. Fire outbreaks happen quite often on ships even on modern ships and more then once on the same ship. That doesn’t mean that a ship is immediately finished when an accident does occurs.

I only wonder how big the damage is since there aren’t many easily replaceable engine parts available for her it could be that repairing the damage is a too greater and expensive task for NCL. I guess we have to wait for more information.

Onno

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Ðraikar
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posted 05-25-2003 07:46 PM      Profile for Ðraikar   Email Ðraikar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I keep wondering what the "incident" was that involving one of the boilers ? Some say a steam leak...
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posted 05-25-2003 08:08 PM      Profile for moodus2   Email moodus2   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
lets pray for the familys of the
crew that died and those who were hurt by the tragedy.
i imagine that there will be a
long investigation and many inspections to the norways propulsion system before she is
allowed to sail again.
her steam pipes and boilers will
be tested and replaced or repaired to allow her to sail

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cruiseny
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posted 05-25-2003 08:54 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Could someone explain exactly how a leaking steam pipe causes an explosion and/or a fire?
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Ðraikar
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posted 05-26-2003 12:03 AM      Profile for Ðraikar   Email Ðraikar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by cruiseny:
Could someone explain exactly how a leaking steam pipe causes an explosion and/or a fire?


Well, from what I know and im a small minded farm boy, steam gathers pressure and then force,..... a leak can form from old pipes expanding,... that pressure can come out the leak like an explosion when pressure is high


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-26-2003 06:24 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Obviously there will be a full investigation by the Police and healthy and safety experts to determine the exact cause of the explosion. There will also need to be a structural survey of the vessel.

I assume that the Norway’s engine parts are not available off the shelf, so they will need to be made. NCL may well decide to make modifications to the engine systems as a result of this tragedy?

I can’t imagine the SS Norway sailing again until Autumn (Fall) at the earliest – and that will represent a lot of cancelled cruises.


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moodus2
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posted 05-26-2003 08:22 AM      Profile for moodus2   Email moodus2   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
if it was just a steam line
that ruptured,i would questioned
the condition of the whole steam
plant. my guess is that the main
steam line blew off the steam drum or the steam drumm ruptured.
if the steam drum blew good bye
boiler. were the relief valves
functional? these are to prevent
too high a pressure in the system. or is it fatigue and
stress do to old age?
the whole steam plant will need to be inspected.

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desirod7
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posted 05-26-2003 10:19 AM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Remember, the QE2 just recently had a ruptured intake line and could have sunk.

I understand the Norway's boilers run 950psi of steam and learned from this board, the a steam leak of that pressure can cut a person in half. A car tire at 30psi if punctured can injure someone.

The parts for the Norway engines are no longer available and have to be custom made. Much of her MEP has been replaced since 1980.

NCL is going to convert the BigU to diesels since there are fewer and fewer personnel who know how to run a steam turbine powerplant. Many of the Premier ships boiler problems were due to ISP's ineptitude rather than poor condition.

Norway is valued at $100 million and NCL could not take that loss on the books. A start up line could not afford her at any price. Her daily operating costs are the weekly operating costs of the NCL recent builds. 400' a month of plumbing lines are replaced. Her tendering at every port is a liability, especially for the handicapped.

If the engines cannot be rebuilt properly, the only alternative is a stationary gambling ship in Asia or Monaco, as per original plan until 9/11

quote:
Originally posted by moodus2:
if it was just a steam line
that ruptured,i would questioned
the condition of the whole steam
plant. my guess is that the main
steam line blew off the steam drum or the steam drumm ruptured.
if the steam drum blew good bye
boiler. were the relief valves
functional? these are to prevent
too high a pressure in the system. or is it fatigue and
stress do to old age?
the whole steam plant will need to be inspected.


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Waynaro
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posted 05-26-2003 11:27 AM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Can someone please tell me what made the NORWAY worth 100 million? I would think the additional decks and deck extentions would not cost this much. Also, if NCL is spending alot on her daily cost, how come they are still operating her? Her fares are some-what cheap (I would think because she is old), but NCL is loosing money on her.
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posted 05-26-2003 11:34 AM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Keitaro:
Can someone please tell me what made the NORWAY worth 100 million?

She isn't. Kloster grossly overvalued her, and when Star bought NCL, they inherited that value. If they reported her value as actual market value (scrap value) they'd have to show a $90m+ loss, which would of course not be a good thing for the stocks. So they're basically "stuck" with NORWAY.

Personally I think they'd ought to find the cash to do a full refit, incl. new powerplant etc. Yes it would cost almost as much as a new ship but what they'd have at the end (IF MARKETED PROPERLY!!!) would be BETTER than a new ship, because they could easily create an "aura" with a good marketing campaign separate from the rest of NCL (Freestyle/Homeland etc.) and maybe even some slightly more varied itineraries (New York in the summer, Miami in winter???). In the end, I don't see why they couldn't make it make financial sense considering all the money that goes down the drain RUNNING the ship, or the amount that they'd supposedly "lose" if they actually sold her.

NORWAY at present is a diamond in the rough, she could be the envy of the world cruise fleet if properly revitalized and marketed! Sure the refit would cost a lot, but I'm convinced that if they sell her right, she could be a real premium product, one that people would be willing to PAY for unlike Celebrity, HAL, etc. Look at QE2! They're just marketing to the wrong crowd!


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posted 05-26-2003 11:37 AM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Kietaro,

Basic economics: NCL loses 'less' money by operating her on the cheap than it would to dispose of her. Her Greyhound bus rates also bring in many first time cruisers who may then try their modern ships.

Most cruise lines make money on extras such as the casino, bars, photos, salons, shopping etc. Studies have shown that they cold berth and feed the passengers for free, and make the money on the extras.

With a multi-ship line losses on one ship can be offset by profits on another. Her $100m value nets great depreciation which is a tax deduction, yet does not hurt cash flow. So when the depreciation is added back, and is bringing in first time cruisers,
the Norway is actually making money

A smart accountant can take any set of books and show a profit or a loss.

quote:
Originally posted by Keitaro:
Can someone please tell me what made the NORWAY worth 100 million? I would think the additional decks and deck extentions would not cost this much. Also, if NCL is spending alot on her daily cost, how come they are still operating her? Her fares are some-what cheap (I would think because she is old), but NCL is loosing money on her.

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If I remember correctly the Norway has one engine room disabled, and is only running on one engine room. If they let it intact the have a ready source of replacement parts. The other option that remains if the damage is too great is to re-engine her with diesel power. This should have been done long ago.
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cruiseny
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posted 05-26-2003 11:45 AM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by desirod7:
Basic economics: NCL loses 'less' money by operating her on the cheap than it would to dispose of her.

BUT could they be making more money if they spent the money to fix her up, and then sell her for much higher fares?

Or is 'lowest common denominator' actually the most profitable way to operate a cruise line?


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posted 05-26-2003 12:42 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
petede

quote:
they have a ready source of replacement parts.

Only the engine room remains of the forward engine room...the forward boiler room was replaced with a deisel generator room. So no replacement parts for boiler unless they have some stored elsewhere. Boiler may be repaired however, depending on the extend of the damage...it may have been a highpressure steam pipe that burst for all we know.


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posted 05-26-2003 01:30 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Picture from Miami Herald just after the accident:

In depth article here.

Joe at TravelPage.com


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Ouch. Thanks Joe for the picture.
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