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gizmo
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posted 08-27-2003 06:46 PM      Profile for gizmo   Email gizmo   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
These pictures are something! Makes one think twice about doing a trans-atlantic. Click Here

[ 08-28-2003: Message edited by: joe at travelpage ]


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bigpapaduck
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posted 08-28-2003 10:55 AM      Profile for bigpapaduck     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
very cool pictures... thanks for sharing!
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Willem
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posted 08-28-2003 11:01 AM      Profile for Willem        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by gizmo:
These pictures are something! Makes one think twice about doing a trans-atlantic.

http://lknick33907.tripod.com/


Gizmo,

I wonder who has set up that site.
I know that within HAL these pictures have been sent around, under embargo for not going to the outside world!

Willem van der Leek


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PamM
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posted 08-28-2003 12:00 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"lknick" who had permission from a HAL corporate officer to publish them.
Great photos too, would have loved to have been on board
Pam

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joe at travelpage
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posted 08-28-2003 12:07 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Very rough animated version here.

Joe at TravelPage.com


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Onno
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posted 08-28-2003 01:00 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
would have loved to have been on board
Pam

I bet you would have said the opposite if you had been onboard.


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bigpapaduck
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posted 08-28-2003 02:02 PM      Profile for bigpapaduck     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Joe's animated version was almost enough to make me sea sick
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gohaze
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posted 08-28-2003 02:08 PM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi...interesting pixs and a good illustration of how things look from these new vessels with the very small foc'sles, large flares and the wheelhouses low down and far for'd. I'd estimate that sea at about 25, maybe 30 feet at most. And that is not unusual by any means, in fact for winter on the Western Ocean it's almost normal!!!!!

....peter


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Waynaro
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posted 08-28-2003 03:12 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is weird. I can't get the link to work. It said "Tripod Error". Can someone post the pictures here? Thanks
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Amerikanis
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posted 08-28-2003 03:45 PM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nice, but it is not so much...

...i want the same on an little 5000-Tonner like
Dalmacija or Royal Star.

That's funny!!

Best Midnight Buffet i ever had was on the Azur,
when from 660 Passengers are 12 appeared
to Gala Buffet.

11 others....


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 08-28-2003 06:19 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by gizmo:
These pictures are something! Makes one think twice about doing a trans-atlantic.

We had 'Storm Force 10' on our winter QE2 Trans, last Christmas.

If you do undertake a crossing in winter, best pick a ship with a proper Ocean Going hull like the SS Norway or QE2!

Don't pick a barge!

[ 08-29-2003: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]


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Brian_O
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posted 08-28-2003 06:59 PM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:

If you do undertake a crossing in winter, best pick a ship with a proper Ocean Going hull like the SS Norway or QE2!


You mean a REAL ship as opposed to the wannabe ships that the cruise companies are inflicting on cruisers nowadays. Right?

[ 08-28-2003: Message edited by: Brian_O ]


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gohaze
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posted 08-28-2003 07:16 PM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
OK Malcolm. What's an "Ocean going hull"? Or for that matter what's a "REAL" ship?

....peter


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Barryboat
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posted 08-28-2003 07:19 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I actually love being on a big ship like that in rough weather. I was on Song of America as we passed along the edge of a hurricane and loved it!!! Everyone (passengers) were instructed to stay in their cabin, but I ventured out above the bridge and held on tight as the ship had waves and wash and spray all over the place. It was great!!! I like the action. I was also on the QE2 trans-Atlantic crossing when we had sustained winds that kept QE2 cruising at an angle.
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Steve Read (sread)
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posted 08-28-2003 08:26 PM      Profile for Steve Read (sread)   Author's Homepage   Email Steve Read (sread)   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree with Barryboat, a bit of motion in the ocean is a wonderful thing.

On Brilliance of the Seas a few weeks ago, going West from Corfu to the "heel" of Italy, we were in a spectacular lightning storm when the ship was hit by a 120kt gust of wind at about 5am.

The ship listed some eight degrees (on board later, rumour said it was 20 degrees!). There was a fair bit of cleaning up to do in the Windjammer afterwards ... plates and glasses went everywhere.

Hilarious the next morning, when a group of passengers were considering calling Messrs Sue, Grabbit & Run about it. I don't quite know how they thought they had a case... "Well m'lud, we were on a ship ... in the sea ... and it bobbed about a bit ..."

[ 08-28-2003: Message edited by: joe at travelpage ]


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joe at travelpage
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posted 08-28-2003 09:06 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Steve,

I was looking at the pictures from your cruise and it was nice to see they were able to get you into the same class of accomodations that you are used to.

Joe at TravelPage.com


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CGT
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posted 08-28-2003 09:54 PM      Profile for CGT        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How would the 1950's Rotterdam have handled this as opposed to the current Rotterdam? Any better? What say you, gohaze?

[ 08-28-2003: Message edited by: CGT ]


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gohaze
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posted 08-28-2003 10:54 PM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Probably better as she was designed for the Western Ocean as well as cruising.
The big flare on the bows of the new ships make for much more spectacular shots as can be seen in those. It also means you have to slow down sooner to avoid damage.

....peter


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Willem
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posted 08-29-2003 02:06 AM      Profile for Willem        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by CGT:
How would the 1950's Rotterdam have handled this as opposed to the current Rotterdam? Any better? What say you, gohaze?

[ 08-28-2003: Message edited by: CGT ]


In November 1959, on our voyage from New York to Rotterdam, we met a storm Beaufort 12 in the English Channel. We could not go in at Southampton, but had to wait outside. Passengers were later on disembarked by tender and passengers for Le Havre had to go with us to Rotterdam.
There were a lot of broken plates etc. down in the kitchens, but that was all. No damage to the ship or passengers.
The ship made some listing. If you know how width the corridors are, when your feet were down in the right corner, your head touched the left side.

Willem van der Leek


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SHIPS AGENT
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posted 08-29-2003 06:18 AM      Profile for SHIPS AGENT   Author's Homepage   Email SHIPS AGENT   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dear friends,

Just to let you know that probably one of the biggest waves that ever hit a liner was last year on December...(I think) when the brand new Costa Europa was cruising from Morocco towards Madeira...according to some friends (as I am not the agent for Costa, unfortunately) a 12 / 15 m wave hit directly ahead of the ship...as a result, much damage was caused...I saw live when she arrived many broken windows, also much furniture broken sent to garbage...further, many passengers had to be assisted on local clinic and most of them wanted to disembark...they were very unlucky...because Costa Europa is a fantastic ship...

Apparently it was not a storm because the weather on Atlantic was perfect but the reason was due to an earthquake on the bottom of the ocean...


Kind regards,

Dimas Almada


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Steve Read (sread)
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posted 08-29-2003 06:36 AM      Profile for Steve Read (sread)   Author's Homepage   Email Steve Read (sread)   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Joe at Travelpage said Steve ... they were able to get you into the same class of accomodations that you are used to.

Actually I think I was in the same cabin that Malcolm had used a couple of weeks earlier. That aftershave does linger... ;-)


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CGT
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quote:
Originally posted by SHIPPING AGENT:
Dear friends,


Apparently it was not a storm because the weather on Atlantic was perfect but the reason was due to an earthquake on the bottom of the ocean...



Shades of "The Poseiden Adventure"....I thought that was impossible?

[ 08-29-2003: Message edited by: CGT ]


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gohaze
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posted 08-29-2003 11:10 AM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Funnily enough, it was the previous Rotterdam that was hit by a Tsunami in 1976. It happened outside Casablanca as she was waiting to pick up the pilot.

The Master and Chief Officer were on the bridge and heard this extraordinary noise, turning to look they saw this huge wave bearing down on them. It hit the starb'd quarter and the ship took a big plunging roll to port, estimated at over 40 degrees. The Master later said he thought it was at least 100ft high.

It was fortunate that it happened early in the morning as all the passengers were in their cabins, and whilst there were many injuries, none were too serious.

....peter


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CGT
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posted 08-29-2003 12:49 PM      Profile for CGT        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I had heard of the original Rotterdam's encounter with that wave, and that incident makes sense, as she was close to shore (if the wave was caused by underwater seismic activity). However, at sea, you won't find large waves caused by seismic activity on the sea floor - in the middle of the ocean they are merely ripples, it is only as they approach land that they suddenly build up into large waves.

Was the wave that hit the Rotterdam in 1976 near Casablanca caused by seismic activity on the sea floor or was it never explained? The account I read merely referred to it as a "rougue" wave and never gave any explanation for it's appearance.


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posted 08-29-2003 01:31 PM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The continental shelf running out from the Atlas Mountains off Casablanca is quite narrow and drops off steeply, so any tsunami will build rapidly in the shallower waters.
...peter

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