Log In | Customer Support
Home Book Travel Destinations Hotels Cruises Air Travel Community Search:

Search

Search CruisePage

Book a Cruise
- CruiseServer
- Search Caribbean
- Search Alaska
- Search Europe
- 888.700.TRIP

Book Online
Cruise
Air
Hotel
Car
Cruising Area:

Departure Date:
Cruise Length:

Price Range:

Cruise Line:

Buy Stuff

Reviews
- Ship Reviews
- Dream Cruise
- Ship of the Month
- Reader Reviews
- Submit a Review
- Millennium Cruise

Community
- Photo Gallery
- Join Cruise Club
- Cruise News
- Cruise News Archive
- Cruise Views
- Cruise Jobs
- Special Needs
- Maritime Q & A
- Sea Stories

Industry
- New Ship Guide
- Former Ships
- Port Information
- Inspection Scores
- Shipyards
- Ship Cams
- Ship Tracking
- Freighter Travel
- Man Overboard List
- Potpourri

Shopping
- Shirts & Hats
- Books
- Videos

Contact Us
- Reservations
- Mail
- Feedback
- Suggest-a-Site
- About Us

Reader Sites
- PamM's Site
- Ernst's Site
- Patsy's Site
- Ben's Site
- Carlos' Site
- Chris' Site
- SRead's Site


Cruise Travel - Cruise Talk
Cruise Talk Cruise News

Welcome to Cruise Talk the Internet's most popular discussion forum dedicated to cruising. Stop by Cruise Talk anytime to post a message or find out what your fellow passengers and industry insiders are saying about a particular ship, cruise line or destination.

>>> Reader Reviews
>>> CruisePage.com Photo Gallery
>>> Join Our Cruise Club.

Latest News...Princess Cruises, the world-famous cruise line delivering dream vacations to millions each year, celebrated a major construction milestone today of its second Sphere-Class vessel, Star Princess, with the traditional maritime float out ceremony at the Fincantieri Shipyard in Monfalcone, Italy. The new ship will now transfer to the outfitting quay where construction...

Latest News...Carnival Corporation & plc (NYSE/LSE: CCL; NYSE: CUK) announced financial results for the third quarter 2024 and provided an updated outlook for the full year and an outlook for fourth quarter 2024.The cumulative advanced booked position for full year 2025 is above the previous 2024 record with prices (in constant currency) ahead of prior year.....

Latest News...Norwegian Cruise Line (NCL) today unveils its new brand positioning, "MORE," reinforcing and extending its legacy of delivering more onboard offerings, more places to discover and more value with the launch of its all-new upgraded 'More At Sea' package.NCL has a history of delivering endless options with over 600 unique itineraries through 2026 ...

More Cruise News...


Post New Topic  Post A Reply
my profile | register | search | faq | forum home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Cruise Talk   » Cruise Ships   » Jones Act

UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: Jones Act
Commodore
First Class Passenger
Member # 1575

posted 09-06-2003 07:30 PM      Profile for Commodore     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Does anyone think the Jones Act should be modified, I do. I think it should be modified to be something more like this.

American built passenger ships can be flagged in the U.S. without restriction, and although foreign built vessels may be built outside of the U.S. they would have the following restrictions, No cruise ship built in a foreign country but flagged in the U.S. may operate exclusively at U.S. ports more than 3 monthes in a row in 9 in any one year.

In any area excluding Hawaii a cruise ship may not call at more than 4 U.S. ports in a week excluding her home port.

No American built and flagged vessel may be subject to port and federal taxes.

A foreign built U.S. flagged cruise ship must call at at least 2 U.S. ports during her break from U.S. only service.

I would also include that cargo ships have no restriction as long as they're U.S. flagged. They can be built anywhere.

What do you guys think, does anyone agree with my thoughts??


Posts: 1106 | From: New Jersey | Registered: Sep 2000  |  IP: Logged
PHILPKH923
First Class Passenger
Member # 4064

posted 09-07-2003 10:23 AM      Profile for PHILPKH923   Email PHILPKH923   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Commodore says:
Does anyone think the Jones Act should be modified, I do. I think it should be modified to be something more like this.


Well, I can only speak as an uninformed layman with respect to the Jones Act, but personally, without knowing the reasons for the act, I am inclined to think it should be done away with. Flagging and port access should be unrestricted with respect to place of construction of a vessel. Otherwise we are engaging in a form of embargo. Free markets with free access, subject only to the safety of SOLAS regulations.

Naive??

...KenH


Posts: 259 | From: Shannondell | Registered: Aug 2003  |  IP: Logged
feargus
First Class Passenger
Member # 3982

posted 09-07-2003 10:57 AM      Profile for feargus   Email feargus   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
not at all Ken H.

the jones act was put in place to protect the U.S. merchant marine and it's mariners.
all it did was secure the future of the U.S. coastal trade between U.S. ports.
if you go to a foreign port and see a U.S. registered and manned merchant vessel take a photograph, it is a very rare sight.


Posts: 249 | From: Halifax,Canada / Abu Dhabi, UAE | Registered: Jul 2003  |  IP: Logged
gohaze
First Class Passenger
Member # 586

posted 09-07-2003 11:35 AM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
OK...it's not the Jones Act you're interested in, it's the Passenger Vessel Services Act. A common mistake. There's been lots on here about them before and a trip to "search" would be edifying.
....peter

Posts: 1909 | From: Vancouver.BC | Registered: Sep 99  |  IP: Logged
origo
First Class Passenger
Member # 1852

posted 09-07-2003 06:45 PM      Profile for origo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Take the passenger and Jones Act away.

Let the market decide. Remember that during the Iraq war mostly of the transports where done by non US flagged and manned ships.


Posts: 40 | From: Stockholm, Sweden | Registered: Mar 2001  |  IP: Logged
Marlowe
First Class Passenger
Member # 1632

posted 09-07-2003 07:34 PM      Profile for Marlowe   Email Marlowe   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My dear Origo:

Where ever did you get your information that "most" of the cargio shipped to Iraq was sent on non US flag ships? FYI, almost 60 US flaged merchant vessels transported the bulk of the vehicles, materials & other supplies sent to Iraq this past winter and in 1990-91.

For more specific statistics please go to the websites for the three Federal agencies with responsibility for US military shipping:
http://www.marad.dot.gov/
http://www.mtmc.army.mil/ &
http://www.msc.navy.mil/

More on my ideas to reform the Jones Act and PVSA soon.


Posts: 414 | From: mt. vernon, wa, usa | Registered: Oct 2000  |  IP: Logged
Marlowe
First Class Passenger
Member # 1632

posted 09-08-2003 12:51 AM      Profile for Marlowe   Email Marlowe   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here are my points for reforming the Jones & Passenger Vessel Service Acts which might assist in fostering new US flag coastwise trade industry:

1. a foreign built ship can only be granted by license the right to trade coastwise & that license is conditional (US built ships retain unconditional right to coastwise trade)
2. the license is granted if no owner of a US built ship sucessfully claims harm will be done to his business by the license to the foreign built ship entering the coastwise trade (an independant board is formed to hear all applicant's and complaintant's claims & decides based on the facts presented)
3. the license is renewable annually if no US built ship enters the same trade in the interim
4. the license has a fee directly proportional to the gross tonnage of the vessel & inversely proportional to the vessel's age also the applicant pays a one time application fee to the Federal Government (all fees collected go to programs for the development of US shipbuilding)
5. US built ships get 7 year depreciation schedules and foreign built get 25
6. foreign built vessels are subordinate to US built vessels when bidding on Govenment preference cargo (ie the US built vessel wins even if the bid is higher but only within a certain %)
7. if no US built ship enters a given trade after 10 years since a foreign built ship entered the same trade, the owner of the foreign ship can apply for a permanent license which need not be renewed annually (except as provided in #12 below)
8. if the owner of a foreign built ship granted a license agrees to built a similar ship within 3 years of the original license being granted then that original license will be good for 3 years instead of one and 2/3 of the license fees paid in that period will be rebated upon delivery of the US built ship
9. there would be no subsides or guarantees granted to a foreign built ship which might otherwise be granted to a US built one
10. all maintenance & repair work to a foreign built ship granted a license must be done in a US shipyard
11. any ship granted a license must be reflagged to the US registry but only need meet the SOLAS rules in doing so and must be maintained in class by a major class society with final oversight remaining with the USCG
12. no ship older than 20 years can be granted an initial license for trade and no ship over 30 years can remain in a coastwise trade under license
13. passengers on US built cruiseships are waived from all Federal taxes but still pay local port taxes as appropriate (since they use the same port services as all cruise passengers)


Posts: 414 | From: mt. vernon, wa, usa | Registered: Oct 2000  |  IP: Logged

All times are ET (US)  

Post New Topic  Post A Reply Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
Hop To:

Contact Us | CruisePage

Infopop Corporation
Ultimate Bulletin BoardTM 6.1.0.3

VACATION & CRUISE SPECIALS
Check out these great deals from CruisePage.com

Royal Caribbean - Bahamas Getaway from $129 per person
Description: Experience the beautiful ports of Nassau and Royal Caribbean's private island - CocoCay on a 3-night Weekend Getaway to the Bahamas. Absorb everything island life has to offer as you snorkel with the stingrays, parasail above the serene blue waters and walk the endless white sand beaches. From Miami.
Carnival - 4-Day Bahamas from $229 per person
Description: Enjoy a wonderful 3 Day cruise to the fun-loving playground of Nassau, Bahamas. Discover Nassau, the capital city as well as the cultural, commercial and financial heart of the Bahamas. Meet the Atlantic Southern Stingrays, the guardians of Blackbeard's treasure.
NCL - Bermuda - 7 Day from $499 per person
Description: What a charming little chain of islands. Walk on pink sand beaches. Swim and snorkel in turquoise seas. Take in the historical sights. They're stoically British and very quaint. Or explore the coral reefs. You can get to them by boat or propelled by fins. You pick. Freestyle Cruising doesn't tell you where to go or what to do. Sure, you can plan ahead, or decide once onboard. After all, it's your vacation. There are no deadlines or must do's.
Holland America - Eastern Caribbean from From $599 per person
Description: White sand, black sand, talcum soft or shell strewn, the beaches of the Eastern Caribbean invite you to swim, snorkel or simply relax. For shoppers, there's duty-free St. Thomas, the Straw Market in Nassau, French perfume and Dutch chocolates on St. Maarten. For history buffs, the fascinating fusion of Caribbean, Latin and European cultures. For everyone, a day spent on HAL's award winning private island Half Moon Cay.
Celebrity - 7-Night Western Mediterranean from $549 per person
Description: For centuries people have traveled to Europe to see magnificent ruins, art treasures and natural wonders. And the best way to do so is by cruise ship. Think of it - you pack and unpack only once. No wasted time searching for hotels and negotiating train stations. Instead, you arrive at romantic ports of call relaxed, refreshed and ready to take on the world.
Holland America - Alaska from From $499 per person
Description: Sail between Vancouver and Seward, departing Sundays on the ms Statendam or ms Volendam and enjoy towering mountains, actively calving glaciers and pristine wildlife habitat. Glacier Bay and College Fjord offer two completely different glacier-viewing experiences.

| Home | About Us | Suggest-a-Site | Feedback | Contact Us | Privacy |
This page, and all contents, are © 1995-2021 by Interactive Travel Guides, Inc. and/or its suppliers. All rights reserved.
TravelPage.com is a trademark of Interactive Travel Guides, Inc.
Powered by TravelServer Software