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Topic: Pride of America leaving Lloyd Werft?

bulbousbow
First Class Passenger
Member # 4440

posted 03-02-2004 04:47 PM

Other yards to bid for Pride?
March 1, 2004

Pride of America’s insurers are considering asking other yards to tender for the ship's repairs and completion, German sources told Seatrade Insider. According to the sources, it is not certain that Lloyd Werft will win the bid to finish the vessel. Yard chief Werner Lüken vowed to complete the project following the Pride of America’s refloating last month.

Meanwhile, the important Lloyd Werft subcontractor Messrs Metall-und Bootsbau GmbH declared insolvency today, with 68 workers losing their jobs. By the end of last week, two other subcontractors had filed for insolvency, affecting 40 jobs. It is understood that the government aid approved by the Bremen senate for subcontractors affected by Lloyd Werft’s insolvency is complicated and difficult to obtain.

Pride of America remains in dry dock at Bremerhaven as investigations continue into the cause of the ship’s partial dockside sinking during a January 14 storm.

Seatrade Insider

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Cheers

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Waynaro
First Class Passenger
Member # 3484

posted 03-02-2004 06:41 PM

Hmmm interesting article.... I wonder who else would bid for the completion and if Llyod Werft looses this bid, will it be the fate of LW?

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PHILPKH923
First Class Passenger
Member # 4064

posted 03-02-2004 08:18 PM

This ship (P of A), which was a political "pork barrel" congressional boondoogle, seems predestined for a sad future.

Will she ever be completed; and if so, who will cruise on/in her?

Another ripoff of the American taxpayer(getting ready to pay for Washington's colonial jingoism manifest in Iraq)!

Sorry for the political tag, but it is so frustrating!

...KenH

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SpiritSailor
First Class Passenger
Member # 4355

posted 03-02-2004 09:11 PM

Any ship that has such tought time deserves a break. I hope she lives long life as an ugly old lady

Perhaps they user as thesinkable, rollover prop for the new Poisiden adventure? Any new pictures anyone can share?

SpiritSailor

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Brian_O
First Class Passenger
Member # 3910

posted 03-03-2004 12:57 AM

quote:
Originally posted by KenH:
This ship (P of A), which was a political "pork barrel" congressional boondoogle, seems predestined for a sad future.

It should be renamed "Embarrassment of America". Use her for target practice.

Brian

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Patrick
First Class Passenger
Member # 364

posted 03-03-2004 04:07 AM

Maybe another REGENT SKY case ??? Hopefully not !

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Waynaro
First Class Passenger
Member # 3484

posted 03-03-2004 10:11 AM

quote:
Patrick posted:
Maybe another REGENT SKY case ??? Hopefully not !

O If that happens it will be a huge loss.

. I hope not too, but maybe if the P of America does become that came, maybe NCL will rebuild the BIG U or INDY!

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Ðraikar
First Class Passenger
Member # 1153

posted 03-03-2004 11:56 AM

Looks like she may be towed someplace elts again, seems no one likes this misfit.

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bulbousbow
First Class Passenger
Member # 4440

posted 03-03-2004 05:49 PM

Lloyd Werft wins 2 refurb contracts
March 2, 2004

Lloyd Werft has won contracts to refurbish two vessels: P&O Cruises’ Oriana, which will arrive in Bremerhaven on April 25, and Queen Elizabeth 2, scheduled for work starting on May 2.

Seatrade Insider

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Interesting isn't it? Lloyd Werft is insolvent but still can win contracts like this. Carnival has confidence in the German yard, why can't NCL and its insurers just give the go ahead and get the Pride of America finished?

Cheers everyone

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Matts
First Class Passenger
Member # 4120

posted 03-04-2004 06:01 AM

According to the Werft website all 6 engines have already been restarted - surely a good sign?

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bulbousbow
First Class Passenger
Member # 4440

posted 03-04-2004 11:57 PM

Yes, six diesel engines running is a step in the right direction. Whether NCL and its insurer Basel Securitas agree is another thing. The matter is there are many people out there that had booked this ship specifically because she was new and now have been left without a cruise or had to rebook on the Pride of Aloha (Norwegian Sky). When is NCL going to make a decision? Give Lloyd Werft the contract and let's get here completed!!

Here is a link to the POA in Lloyd Werft's drydock where only recently the Costa Victoria stood while balconies and promenades were added:

Note the clay on her bulbous bow and hull...

Cheers

[ 03-05-2004: Message edited by: bulbousbow ]

[ 03-05-2004: Message edited by: joe at travelpage ]

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Waynaro
First Class Passenger
Member # 3484

posted 03-05-2004 12:05 AM

Changing my post around now....

What does the clay do? She does look ugly!

[ 03-05-2004: Message edited by: Keitaro ]

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bulbousbow
First Class Passenger
Member # 4440

posted 03-05-2004 12:19 AM

Keitaro, you jumped the gun. I typed in the wrong URL in the IMG tags and couldn't figure out why. The difference is when you use a Mac there isn't the aid of "Properties", you have to re-open the image in a new window and then use that address as the link for the image and not the first address in the image opened from the small pic (http://www.lloydwerft.com/d/grossbild/proj_am_24.htm). Sound confusing? Well it's not all the Mac's fault, it's also Microsoft's IE for the Mac (not the one for OS X, but the last version for 9.2.2). Sorry!

Cheers

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Waynaro
First Class Passenger
Member # 3484

posted 03-05-2004 01:21 AM

quote:
bulbousbow posted:
Sound confusing?

Exactly why I think Macs are pain in the butt even in school! Luckily our school has Windows computers now too!

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bulbousbow
First Class Passenger
Member # 4440

posted 03-05-2004 01:47 AM

Actually there is nothing confusing about the Mac. It's Microsoft's products that are not up to scratch. Apple as a company have always been innovative, unfortunately only 5% of the world use it, so it hasn't got that market clout. Look at Beta vs VHS as a good example.

What OS do you use at school? Mac's OS X operating system is far superior to Microsoft’s buggy XP, or for that matter any of their products that have to be upgraded with patches. Bottomline is that Microsoft have the majority of users by the balls, correct?

If you don’t like the Mac, just keep it as an option. You’ll never know ‘wouldya’?

Anyway, back to Pride of America:

The clay is what POA hit when grounded. See the diagonal line across her bow? That’s the angle she listed to starboard. Luckily the wharf held at the same time she hit the floor or else she probably would have capsized!! Pity we can’t see her starboard side and the damage (maybe dents in her hull). Let’s hope new pictures crop up from somewhere.

Cheers

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bulbousbow
First Class Passenger
Member # 4440

posted 03-05-2004 01:57 AM

Another thing, the image of Pride of America's bow was taken with a wideangle lens so it doesn't give you the proper perspective of how her bow looks in real life. Still, it does give you an idea how top heavy POA is. If you didn't know she was a cruise ship you would think she was a FERRY!!

Cheers

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Waynaro
First Class Passenger
Member # 3484

posted 03-05-2004 10:17 AM

quote:
bulbousbow posted:
What OS do you use at school? Mac's OS X operating system is far superior to Microsoft’s buggy XP, or for that matter any of their products that have to be upgraded with patches. Bottomline is that Microsoft have the majority of users by the balls, correct?

We use OS 9.2.2. Anyhow back to P of A...

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Ðraikar
First Class Passenger
Member # 1153

posted 03-05-2004 03:14 PM

Any more current photo's of Pride of America ?

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