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RobHolland
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posted 03-18-2004 08:31 AM      Profile for RobHolland   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From MaritimeMatters:

The Final Fjord?
March 17: Norwegian Cruise Line's laid up NORWAY is, indeed, finished as announced by NCL's website, "Veitch announced that regretfully the S/S Norway would not return to the North American cruise market. The company continues to evaluate appropriate options for the vessel". It was decided not to re-engine the ship due to the expense. It is reported that plans for her use as a static hotel ship are being examined but that she will not be docked in the US. The former FRANCE, once the longest liner in the world, has been laid up at Bremerhaven, Germany since July following a fatal engine room explosion in Miami, FL on May 25th, 2003.

Here's the NCL link.

Sad to hear it's so definitive now...


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Onno
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posted 03-18-2004 09:13 AM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If NCL can not even finance to re-engine Norway, what on earth are they planning to do with BigU? Looks more and more that NCL just bought the Indy and Big U so that they are kept off the market. NCL wins the first price if it comes to fooling people with their “we are exploring all options nonsense”. They made up their mind from day one that the explosion occurred that Norway would never sail for them again, but they did not have the guts to say that. The Norway served them well for many years (even longer then she has been the France) so why couldn’t NCL just organise a public and spectacular retirement for Norway. That would have been better PR than pretending the ship would return to service and afterward disappoint a lot of Norway fans.

I now see a very dark clouds hanging over Big U and I’m not sure to believe NCL’s sincerity anymore. Maybe the CT members who go the annual Big U meeting can find out what is really going on.

Onno


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sslewis
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posted 03-18-2004 09:32 AM      Profile for sslewis   Author's Homepage   Email sslewis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It a real missed opportunity.
Re-engineering both ssUS and Norway would have saved money by ordering two sets...
There must have been complications with the American Project(only US hulls), and the recent poor finance reports means they have to ditch many older tonnage(Aries/Capricorn).
Hope the vessel can be restaured to her formerself.
I wonder what she would look like with her upper superstructures painted as to masquerade the bulk and allow the old profile to show up?
Onno, any suggestions?

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Johan
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posted 03-18-2004 09:42 AM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I seem to remember this was a reprieve already.

Some years ago the SS Norway was sent to France, with a lot of hoopla about 'last transatlantic voyage', the ship was chartered to a french travel company for some cruises, marketing her as the "last cruises on the France/Norway".

(here was even an airplane accident as a light plane crashed when trying to see her near Brittanny).

It was then said she would go to the Far East to become a (hotel ?)/casinoship, but instead it was decided by the powers that be, that the ship should return (without passengers) to the Caribic for her routine voyages.
I remember there was a lot of nostalgia and press attention then in France, with documentaries on TV, reruns of 1974 documentaries, interviews with former staff, strike leaders, articles etc etc

If only the French government could buy her, and restaure to 'France' glory, as a museumship in Le Havre or St-Nazaire (there is already a passenger liner museum in southwestern france, but it is on land).

Perhaps with a gaullist president as Chirac...(though I think he was a minister of economy at the time the French government decided to pull her out of service - I am not sure)

After all there aren't that many big classic liners around, and they ARE part of our modern historical, cultural, economical en social heritage,as much as buildings on land. At the time they were the pinnacle of nautical and artistic creativity.

Let 's hope.

Johan


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Waynaro
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posted 03-18-2004 10:04 AM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Onno posted:
...so why couldn’t NCL just organise a public and spectacular retirement for Norway. That would have been better PR than pretending the ship would return to service and afterward disappoint a lot of Norway fans.
Totally agree! NORWAY deserves a retirement party!

I wouldn't agree that from the beginning that NCL already decided not to reengine the ship. Probably they are weighing on the options and it looks like now it would cost too much to put her back in service...

I still have faith that the BIGU could come back...Who would want to buy a gutted ship?

Anyhow, LONG LIVE THE BLUE LADY!!!

[ 03-18-2004: Message edited by: Keitaro ]


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 03-18-2004 12:03 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Economically it is not wise for NCL to put tens of millions of dollars repairing Norway. She is after all 42 years old and really does not fit the image of "Freestyle Cruising" that NCL is going for. Unfortunately it seems to be the end of a wonderful era. In times past shiplovers seemed to welcome the newer and grander liners coming down the ways. These days the replacements are soul-less mass produced unattractive apartment blocks with a bow and an excuse for a stern tacked on. (QM2 the exception) I wonder if these new ships will garner the same affection as the likes of Normandie, Mauretania, Ile de France etc. when they were scrapped, Time will tell.
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 03-18-2004 12:06 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When I looked at their Brochure for 2004, it was obvious that even without the SS Norway; they have lots of diverse and interesting itineraries and a fair sized fleet of ships on offer.

I suppose with a damaged Norway, one rusty hull (the Big-U) and Project America, they are aware of the risks of stretching their finances too thinly.

The SS Norway was just another burden.

M


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It is sad for Norway, but perhaps a career in Asia with Star is ahead now they wont use her in the US?
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BigUFan
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posted 03-18-2004 12:12 PM      Profile for BigUFan   Author's Homepage   Email BigUFan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm wondering if it's possible that they won't finance the repair of the Norway because maybe they've already earmarked funds for the restoration of the Independence and the Big U, thinking that they're more viable than the Norway, even though she was more recently in service. Maybe there just isn't money in the till for the Norway in that case.
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Fairsky
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posted 03-18-2004 12:24 PM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Strickly from a business point of veiw- why would NCL spend millions of dollars to:

-Re engineer a 40 year old ship with few balconies, small cabins, and outdated features (Norway)
-Totally rebuild a 50 year old rusted hull (Big U)
and
-Re design a laid up small-ish liner (Indy)

When for the same money, or even less, NCL could:

-Build Pride of America 2 for the Hawaii market
-Build brand new ships for Asia or North America with state of the art features and accomodations
-And have a more guarenteed return on their investment for decades to come.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 03-18-2004 12:43 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Fairsky:
Totally rebuild a 50 year old rusted hull (Big U)
and
-Re design a laid up small-ish liner (Indy)

1) Because of the US laws about American flagged ships operating to Hawaii.

2) It is cheaper than trying to build new American ships.

3) To gain a monopoly on Hawaiian cruising


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Fairsky
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posted 03-18-2004 03:01 PM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:

1) Because of the US laws about American flagged ships operating to Hawaii.

2) It is cheaper than trying to build new American ships.

3) To gain a monopoly on Hawaiian cruising



Indeed- but would not all of these things be achieved by building Pride of America 2? NCL has already been given govt approval to flag her in the US if built with the parts purchased from Ingalls. And they would have a brand new ship- not a rebuilt one.


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Ðraikar
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posted 03-18-2004 03:05 PM      Profile for Ðraikar   Email Ðraikar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is very sad news and unlike you guys I never seen this coming. I still don't see her being scrapped and from a business point of view I still see her making money in some form or another.
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steeplechase
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posted 03-18-2004 08:14 PM      Profile for steeplechase   Author's Homepage   Email steeplechase   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You would think that selling the Big U as scrap would be easy as it already is stripped down would not have to worry about taking all that wood ect out just start cutting, as for Norway what is her srap value?
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posted 03-18-2004 09:52 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Aging cruise ship won't sail in America
AP Business Wire
March 18, 2004

MIAMI -- The aging cruise ship Norway, which suffered a fatal boiler explosion last year, won't sail again in North America, Norwegian Cruise Lines said.

The 44-year-old cruise liner doesn't fit into NCL's plans to compete with rivals Carnival Corp. and Royal Caribbean Cruises, company president Colin Veitch said Wednesday.

Launched as the France in 1960, the 2,000-passenger Norway sailed from Miami until May, when a boiler exploded, killing eight people. The ship was later towed to Germany.

"The Norway will not be coming back to North America," Veitch said.

Cruise executives say the 1,035-foot ship still has potential in Asia, where NCL's parent company, Star Cruises, is the primary operator. Veitch said NCL also has discussed selling the Norway to a buyer who wants to make it a floating hotel.

Veitch said the Norway is being worked on in Germany. The boilers have not been fixed, partly to maintain access for the National Transportation and Safety Board, and partly because it wasn't clear they would be needed, he said.

The NTSB's investigation is ongoing, spokesman Keith Holloway said.

Seattle Post-Intelligencer


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She could still end up in Asia with Star, however if she has no engines she can only be anchored somehwere as a casino ship or floating hotel. That would be a waste.

As for the NTSB's investigation, how long does it take? Or is this just an excuse?

Also no news regarding the staff being trained for Pride of America, etc.

Cheers


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 03-18-2004 10:51 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
United States sailed for only 17 years and her hull is in excellent shape-needs a good sandblasting and paint and the hull would be good as new. Her thick hull was built for the high speed N. Atlantic run and would outlast any newbuild cruise ship's. Independence is in great condition (minus a good paint job) for her age, yes she is smallish by today's standards, but that could be an advantage in certain markets. She must have been really inexpensive for NCL to purchase her, so any money invested could be worthwhile. Indy also had a 30+ million dollar refit in 1994. All she needs are for the smaller cabins to be upgraded maybe with additional portholes, fixtures, etc. and her vast unused cargo holds could be finished off into additional cabins.
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Ðraikar
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posted 03-18-2004 11:04 PM      Profile for Ðraikar   Email Ðraikar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Cruise executives say the 1,035-foot ship still has potential in Asia, where NCL's parent company, Star Cruises, is the primary operator. Veitch said NCL also has discussed selling the Norway to a buyer who wants to make it a floating hotel.

Veitch said the Norway is being worked on in Germany. The boilers have not been fixed, partly to maintain access for the National Transportation and Safety Board, and partly because it wasn't clear they would be needed, he said.


We are still a long way of knowing what her future will be, all we are getting is she is done for as SS Norway with "hints" she may go on to do other things like hotel or cruising Asian waters !!!


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I fear she will be towed to Asia and anchored somewhere like Hong Kong harbor for use as a giant floating casino. I think there is no worse fate for a famous old liner. I would rather see her scrapped!

Ernie


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lasuvidaboy
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If she has to be scrapped, I think it would be wonderful if she just rolled over and sank like Britanis, Constitution etc. en route. What a dignified end to a beautiful liner as opposed to being cut up and dragged on a beach in India. She would make a terrific reef for sea life and divers.
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eandjracquet
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posted 03-19-2004 01:36 AM      Profile for eandjracquet   Email eandjracquet   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am deeply saddened by this recent turn of events for the Norway (really the France). I thought I had missed sailing her and as I have said as a native New Yorker who lost both family and friends out of 9/11 (not to mention the nonstop flyovers no one talks about since then) the only slightly positive thing that came out of that horrible event was the return of the Norway to United States waters. I had the honor of sailing her July 2002 in one of her original first class cabins-she was magnificient! So much of her history is there for the taking-in terms of exploring. It was the first time 4 sea days were not enough! I could have lived on her. I hope there is an eccentric billionaire out there that buys both her and the Rotterdam/Rembrandt and markets them to the ResidenceSea people.

Long Live the France/Norway!


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posted 03-19-2004 03:17 AM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by eandjracquet:
...I hope there is an eccentric billionaire out there that buys both her and the Rotterdam/Rembrandt and markets them to the ResidenceSea people...

I was thinking of this also, but it doesn't have to be a billionaire who acquires her. Would people invest in a cabin? How much? Would they be happy with something smaller than today's staterooms? Ultimately she would need propulsion. What are the costs, and can she be converted to diesel or gas turbine? Mmmmh.

Cheers


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posted 03-19-2004 07:38 AM      Profile for steeplechase   Author's Homepage   Email steeplechase   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have an old trolling motor that I would be more than happy to give to NCL to repower Norway, it would be slow but I sure had fun catching those bass at that speed.Amagine 29 days at see Miami to Key West!
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posted 03-19-2004 09:08 AM      Profile for RobHolland   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
It was the first time 4 sea days were not enough!


quote:
I have an old trolling motor that I would be more than happy to give to NCL to repower Norway, it would be slow but I sure had fun catching those bass at that speed.Amagine 29 days at see Miami to Key West!


Guess you two found eachother


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We were in a former first class cabin that adjoined another first class stateroom-both adjoined interior, small staterooms. The entire area could make a wonderful 4 room, 4 bathroom suite. I think it would give any luxury line a run for the money.
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She will be scrapped.
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