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PamM
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posted 10-23-2004 03:08 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

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Karsten
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posted 10-23-2004 03:12 PM      Profile for Karsten   Author's Homepage   Email Karsten   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is it a quiz or have you also no idea what ship it it? Actually I have no answer.

Where was the picture taken?


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PamM
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posted 10-23-2004 03:27 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I had no idea when I took the photo, but have since been told the name. However I can't find any other photos of this ship to verify. If someone here comes up with the same name, it must be right, my thinking anyway [I was told one name, but there are 2 ships there] It's in Greece.

Pam

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Waynaro
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posted 10-23-2004 05:24 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The name/names escaped me at this moment, but I believe it was those Italian twins. I think Onno did a model of one of them a while ago...
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Waynaro
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posted 10-23-2004 07:07 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
OK, I finally remembered! It must have been the RAFFAELLO. The funnel (twin funnels) was/were soo unique! I remember reading somewhere that she was bombed and sunk partially in the harbor somewhere in Iraq (?)...
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lasuvidaboy
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posted 10-23-2004 07:25 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It looks like two ships. The white hulled one is much smaller than Raffaello INMO and only has one short funnel. The other appears to have a black hull and is much smaller. The smaller one appears to be a small freighter.
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Waynaro
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posted 10-23-2004 07:35 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
The white hulled one is much smaller than Raffaello INMO and only has one short funnel.
Could one of the funnels have possibly "feel off"? The porportions looks right though...

Interesting catch on the black freighter.


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posted 10-23-2004 07:58 PM      Profile for Jekyll   Email Jekyll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am probably wrong on this - but at first glance it looks like Costa's old ship the FLAVIA...I honestly have no idea what other names she had after her time w/ Costa but that is my guess - as to location - no clue...
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lasuvidaboy
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posted 10-23-2004 08:01 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Keitaro: The white hulled ship reminds me of one of the many small greek cruise ships that sailed the Med in the 1970s and 80s. These ships seemed to all have been built in the 1950s and 60s for other lines. She appears to have suffered a fire in the photo. The funnel has a modern style wind deflector similar to the large ones on The Italian Line twins. Many shipping lines used these wind deflectors to direct funnel exhaust away from the aft decks and also to give their older ships a more modern look. Hopefully someone can name her.
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kaiser
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posted 10-24-2004 12:33 AM      Profile for kaiser   Email kaiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Could it be the Melody? I don't know much about the history of her other than she is/was old, small and laid in up in Greece for quite some time prior to sinking at anchor .... I think ....

No idea about the other ship in front.

The one thing that I am certain of is that the ship is definately NOT the Raffaello, as no pictures of her wreck have (to my knowledge) ever appeared in any western publication. Besides, as someone else mentioned, she is way too small.

Regards, Kaiser


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Brian_O
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posted 10-24-2004 12:53 AM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Keitaro:
OK, I finally remembered! It must have been the RAFFAELLO. The funnel (twin funnels) was/were soo unique! I remember reading somewhere that she was bombed and sunk partially in the harbor somewhere in Iraq (?)...

Read Pam's posts more carefully. She took the picture in Greece, not Iraq. It is also quite obvious that the white-hulled ship is much smaller than the Raffaello or Michelangelo, posssibly less than 10,000 gt.

Brian

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posted 10-24-2004 04:36 AM      Profile for AJL   Author's Homepage   Email AJL   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello all for a long time, I've been offline for a while because I have moved and I had to buy a new computer.

Kaiser was right, it is the Melody. Here are some facts about her from my files:

TSS DJEBEL-DIRA

Length: 113,25 m
Beam: 15,6 m
GRT: 4,253 t
Built: 1938 Swan Hunter & Wigham Richardson, Newcastle, England
Orig. owner: Cie. de Navigation Mixte, Marseille
Speed: 16,5 kn
Passengers: 618
New names: Phoenix 1970, Melody 1979-90

She was built for Marseille - Casablanca service. In 1970 she was sold to Spyros P. Billinis and was converted into a cruise ship for 188 passengers for cruises in the Greek Isles, also to Turkey and Israel. In December 1980 she was severely damaged in a storm while bound for Haifa and was laid up in Perama, Greece, for 10 years, changing owners three times. On 07-06-1990, while finally under repairs at Keratsini, she caught fire, was taken in tow and beached off Atalanti Island where the fire was extinguished the next day. Soon she began to leak and is still visible today, half-submerged off Atalanti Island.

And another text about her:

Like many other French passenger ships at the time, the 371-foot long Djebel-Dira was sold to Greek buyers in 1970. The purchaser was Spyros P. Billinis, who renamed her Phoenix. Stripped of her cargo holds and rebuilt for cruising, she was later renamed Melody and sent on voyages to the Greek isles, Turkey and Israel. She was, however, badly damaged in a severe storm while en route to Haifa in December, 1980. She lay unrepaired for many months. Her owners at the time, Athens Marine Cruises, went bankrupt and she passed to the IMS Shipping Co. and then to Cougar Shipping Co. who used Honduran registry. Eventually, she fell into Greek government ownership but when, in July 1990, some repairs were finally underway, she caught fire and began to sink by the stern. Still half-submerged, she remains to this day off Atalanti Island.

For additional photos, check out:

http://www.faktaomfartyg.com/djebel_dira_1948.htm

AJL

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Vaccaro
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posted 10-24-2004 12:25 PM      Profile for Vaccaro   Author's Homepage   Email Vaccaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Very nice to see you back Aleksi!

...and by the way, thank you for the additional pictures (and informations) about the ex-DJEBEL DIRA.


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Johan
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posted 10-24-2004 12:29 PM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Strange that those derelict ships can lay there rusting years after years
once they will be cleared !!

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lasuvidaboy
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posted 10-24-2004 01:04 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Johan:
Strange that those derelict ships can lay there rusting years after years
once they will be cleared !!

Could be the cost of scrapping is to great verses the worth of their steel and also their position is not a threat to navigation.


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PamM
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posted 10-24-2004 03:08 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well done Kaiser, and thanks for all the info AJL [good to see you back online]. I am not sure if the 2 ships are a threat to navigation, but as half on an islet it can't make a lot of difference. They are quite someway off the main port area, but the shipping lanes do pass by. For anyone who may be going that way and interested in seeing/getting some better photos, they are to the left of the main entrance to the Port of Keratsini.

The entrance is where the red hulled ship is heading in the photo below, and the wrecks are just visible in the distance to the right of the top of the mast of the ferry Patmos.


which goes onto here

From this one you can see some ships enter Keratsini from the other direction

Then the other wreck you can only see the bow of, is Khalid I [Bella Maria, Delos, Azemmour] see here.

Pam


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