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posted 02-10-2005 10:02 AM      Profile for Westerdam   Email Westerdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
LONDON - Prince Charles said Thursday he will marry his divorced lover Camilla Parker Bowles in April, putting an official seal on a long romance that Princess Diana blamed for the breakdown of her tempestuous marriage to the heir to the throne. The announcement ruled out the possibility that she would become queen.

The Prince of Wales and Parker Bowles will marry on Friday, April 8, at Windsor Castle, said Clarence House, Charles' residence and office.

During a visit to London's financial district Thursday, Charles accepted congratulations on his pending nuptials.

"Thank you very much, you're so kind." he said. "I am very excited."

Parker Bowles will use the title Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Cornwall after the marriage. When Charles becomes king, she will not be known as Queen Camilla but as the princess consort, Charles' office said.

That decision by the prince appeared to be a nod to public opinion, which has never warmed to Camilla.

The marriage will be a civil service and not a Church of England service.

"There will subsequently be a service of prayer and dedication in St. George's Chapel at which the Archbishop of Canterbury will preside," Charles' office said.

The decision on the type of service reflects the fact that both are divorcees, and that Parker Bowles' ex-husband is still living. In general, the Church of England, the legally established faith of the nation, disapproves of the remarriage of divorced people in church.

As Britain's monarch, Prince Charles would be the supreme governor of the Church of England. Some Anglicans could oppose him holding this role as a divorcee who remarried outside the church.

The announcement received the blessing of Queen Elizabeth II (news - web sites), who said she was very happy that her son and Camilla Parker Bowles will marry.

Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites) also said he was "delighted."

Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams said the wedding service plans "have my strong support and are consistent with Church of England guidelines concerning remarriage."

Neither Charles nor Camilla possess the star-power of Diana, whose memory remains strong in Britain, but theirs has been a peculiarly deep love story — one that has endured time, scrutiny and such intense criticism that Parker Bowles was once regularly insulted in the street.

"It had to happen sooner or later," said Dina Pine, 73, a retired restaurant owner. "But I don't think she should be queen."

Charles, 56, divorced from Diana in 1996, a year before she was killed in a Paris car crash. Camilla, 57, obtained her divorce from army officer Andrew Parker Bowles in 1995.

"Diana is still in so many people's hearts," said Chris Morris, 54, a building engineer. "Queen Camilla wouldn't be so popular."

Charles, the eldest son of Queen Elizabeth II, first met Camilla at a polo match in Windsor in 1970 and over the next few years they became very close. The relationship cooled after Charles joined the Royal Navy and Camilla married Andrew Parker Bowles, a long-standing admirer.

Throughout the late 1970s Charles and Camilla kept up contact and became close friends again toward the end of the decade. They remained so after Charles' 1981 marriage to Diana.

In the early days of their romance, when Parker-Bowles was still single, she reportedly told the prince: "My great-great-grandmother was your great-great-grandfather's mistress, so how about it?"

Diana blamed the friendship for the failure of her marriage to the Prince of Wales.

"There were three of us in this marriage, so it was a bit crowded," Diana said in a 1995 TV interview.

While the saga of the disintegrating royal marriage played out publicly, Parker Bowles was often cast as the villain, the object both of invective for being a "marriage breaker" and of ridicule over tapes of intimate conversations between her and the prince that emerged in 1992.

In 1994, Prince Charles admitted in a TV documentary that he had strayed from his marriage vows, but he insisted the infidelity happened only after the marriage was "irretrievably broken down, us both having tried." It was widely assumed, but never confirmed, that Camilla was the other woman.

Camilla soon became a recognizable figure and in April 1997 took a tentative step into public life when she became patron of the National Osteoporosis Society. An official photograph was released to mark the occasion.

In July that year, Charles hosted a party for Camilla to celebrate her 50th birthday.

The couple appeared less frequently in public after Diana's death in August 1997, but in 1999 Camilla met Charles' sons Prince William and Prince Harry for the first time.

In recent years, she has regularly accompanied Charles to galas and become accustomed to appearing before the media. She now lives with Charles at his Clarence House residence in central London.

Last year, a poll indicated that more Britons support Prince Charles marrying Parker Bowles than oppose it. Thirty-two percent of respondents to the Populus poll said they would support Charles if he remarried, while 29 percent were opposed to the remarriage. Thirty-eight percent said they did not care and the rest had no opinion.

Source: Yahoo News

Sorry for being a bit off topic but even though the article states that Camilla will become HRH The Duchess of Cornwall and later the Princess Consort could Charles when he is King decide to make her Queen? Thus giving Cunard yet another "Queen" name to use.


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posted 02-10-2005 10:59 AM      Profile for jsea     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Charles won't be king... I'm pretty sure the throne is going to Prince William.
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posted 02-10-2005 11:02 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by jsea:
Charles won't be king... .

Unless he drops dead before the Queen stands down (or drops dead herself), he will automatically be king, regardless of his taste in women!


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posted 02-10-2005 11:16 AM      Profile for sympatico     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ye, Gods, Queen Camilla.

I think if that ever happens Canada will vote for independence and cecede from the British Empire (what's left of it).

Don't they make a lovely couple, Malcolm? Big Ears and Horse face. I know, I know, I'm being unkind to a member of our Monarchy.


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posted 02-10-2005 12:08 PM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, at least it is one of the "love stories" of our age, after 45 years married at last....

But please no "Queen Camilla" in Carnivals fleet.
They still have an "Artemis", you know, and what would happen when together somewhere, can't think of it

"Camillia" could just do - or Camelia.

I stick to my persuasion that Cunard should build no more Queens, till the QM2 is retired, and a QE3 s built.

J


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posted 02-10-2005 12:18 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Queen could easily live another 20 years-like her mother. Charles would be in his late 70s and William in his 40s. That would be a perfect time for King William and Queen Tiffany-Bambi (or whoever he is married to) to take the throne. Cunard's new transatlantic liner replacing the older QM2 will be christened RMS Queen Tiffany!
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posted 02-10-2005 12:30 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Camilla will NOT gain the title of 'Queen', she will be 'Princess Consort'.

What man in his right mind would prefer an ugly old battle axe in preference to Princess Diana?


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posted 02-10-2005 12:45 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think Camilla will have to settle for less then a queen, perhaps a m.s. Camilla Princess, or maybe when Cunard runs out of Queen names they could cal a lesser ship the m.s. Camillia!

Onno


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posted 02-10-2005 01:32 PM      Profile for jsea     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
Unless he drops dead before the Queen stands down (or drops dead herself), he will automatically be king, regardless of his taste in women!

I thought I had read somewhere that they had come to an agreement to transfer the crown to William since he would be much younger and could have a longer reign. Or did I just make that up?

What/who determines who is the next in line?

This royalty stuff is pretty foreign to me.


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posted 02-10-2005 04:04 PM      Profile for Westerdam   Email Westerdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:

What man in his right mind would prefer an ugly old battle axe in preference to Princess Diana?

Different strokes for different folks in this case I guess! I have to admit that she does look a bit like she ran into a brick wall at 80 m.p.h.


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posted 02-10-2005 04:11 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jsea:

I thought I had read somewhere that they had come to an agreement to transfer the crown to William since he would be much younger and could have a longer reign. Or did I just make that up?

Yes you made it up!

What/who determines who is the next in line?

Tradition - he is the Queen oldest son - period. It's his birth right, love him or hate him. The next in line is Charle's oldest Son, William. (Prince Andrew and Princess Anne don't get a look in unless there are multiple deaths in the family).

This royalty stuff is pretty foreign to me.

It's not foreign, it's British. But yes, it can get pretty complex.


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posted 02-10-2005 04:13 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Onno:
I think Camilla will have to settle for less then a queen...

Camilla will be 'Princess Consort'.


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posted 02-10-2005 04:33 PM      Profile for jsea     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
Yes you made it up!

Oops, my bad.

Thank you for the clarification.

So, can the Queen pass along the crown whenever she pleases? Could she give it to Charles tomorrow?


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posted 02-10-2005 04:43 PM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
With respect to Princess Diana i think that here wedding with Prince Charles was wrong frome day one whene the met. And afcorse whene they wed it was magic. Buth that is almost every royal wedding. She was exeptional and i think she will be remember even over a century. That this wedding was doomed was written inn the stars. There was no sparkle between Charles and Diana. This wedding was set up by two familly's as iff we lived hundred years ago. She was young very young he was older much older has a live behind him, that would not have been wrong. Buth there was almost no shared interrest. She loved things most young woman love on here age and he loved things that poeple inn his social life like to do killing animals fore one thing. She hates his social life he hate here social life. Insteat usse here inmens populairity he began to feel ignored and passed by. She like the attention and forgat that she was only second after here husband the futere King. And refuse to step one step backwards. She gave birth to two boys and dith here duty fore Queen and country. He return to his former love, and she dissede to stop with eating, thene to go shopping fore a nother lover in here life. And talk about how pore she was and sad. Finally she med wich i believe the wrong person and died awfull and to young in a Paris tunnel.

Ending a rorring period in history (i was very sad and still iff i see pictures on t.v. i feel sad)

Its obvious that miss. parker Bowls geth the blame fore a failing marriage between Diana and Charles. Buth she is not to blame, Charles and Diana are to blame forre there failing marriage no one else even not Camilla.

This was never happend iff Charles have the guts to stand up many many years ago and wed Camilla.

Now years after Diana died he wed the woman he really loved. And its the right thing to do i hope both will have a wonderfull life together.

And fore me whene Charles wil became King Charles i would have no problem with a Queen Camilla. And a Cunard liner that is named after here.

Greatings Ben.


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quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
[QUOTE]
Tradition - he is the Queen oldest son - period. It's his birth right, love him or hate him. The next in line is Charle's oldest Son, William. (Prince Andrew and Princess Anne don't get a look in unless there are multiple deaths in the family).


It is not tradition. It is a matter of law. The current top 10 heirs are, in order:

1) Prince Charles, Heir Apparent (the monarch's eldest son)
2) Prince William (eldest son of Heir Apparent)
3) Prince Harry (2nd son of Heir Apparent)

4) Prince Andrew (2nd eldest son of Monarch)
5) Princess Beatrice (eldest daugher of Prince Andrew)
6) Princess Eugenie (2nd daughter of Prince Andrew)

7) Prince Edward (3rd son of Monarch)
8) Prince Edward's daughter

9) Princess Anne (only daughter of Monarch)
10) Princess Anne's oldest son.

Prince William cannot become the next monarch unless Prince Charles dies before Queen Elizabeth dies or abdicates.


Brian


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posted 02-10-2005 06:53 PM      Profile for Globaliser     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
What/who determines who is the next in line?

Tradition - he is the Queen oldest son - period. It's his birth right, love him or hate him. The next in line is Charle's oldest Son, William. (Prince Andrew and Princess Anne don't get a look in unless there are multiple deaths in the family).


It's more law than mere tradition - I'm sure if anyone wants a source I can dig up the actual statute.

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quote:
Originally posted by Globaliser:
It's more law than mere tradition - I'm sure if anyone wants a source I can dig up the actual statute.

Guys, I agree - I was trying to give a sort of 'dummies' guide.


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posted 02-10-2005 08:47 PM      Profile for BTF        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Forget Cunard with their Queens. With all the new ships that Princess has on order , rumour has it that the next one will be called Camilla Princess.

You heard it here first.


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posted 02-10-2005 08:50 PM      Profile for jsea     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
Guys, I agree - I was trying to give a sort of 'dummies' guide.

Which is exactly what I needed.

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I'm with Sympatico - enough of the last vestiges of the Empire. Only the British Press really care any more... "Princess Consort" is the name you'd give to one of those old English cars [like the Ford Prefect or Morris Minor]. One could imagine christening such a vehicle "Camilla"...not a liner! ...the Camilla Princess? Imagine the design challenges - Joe Farcus, where are you now that we really need you?
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If naming any new Cunard ships after Camilla is inappropriate, then perhaps naming a part of the new ships facilities like the dining room, poolroom or martini bar. The ladies beauty salon could have a facial treatment rejuvenation session named after her.
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quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
Camilla will NOT gain the title of 'Queen', she will be 'Princess Consort'.


That is what they have agreed to now in order to make the marriage more palatable to the Princess Diana fans. However, the marriage is not conditional on that arrangement. There is no legal impediment to Camilla being officially named Queen Consort after Charles becomes King. No matter what title Camilla acquires after Charles becomes King doesn't change the simple fact that she will only be the monarch's wife; she will not be Queen Regnant.

Brian


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quote:
Originally posted by BTF:
Forget Cunard with their Queens. With all the new ships that Princess has on order , rumour has it that the next one will be called Camilla Princess.

You heard it here first.


Wich rumour and where the news is come out just yesterday and now suddenly there is the rumour that there will be a Princess cruise ship with here name ???????????????


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quote:
Originally posted by Maasdam:

Wich rumour and where the news is come out just yesterday and now suddenly there is the rumour that there will be a Princess cruise ship with here name ???????????????


Yes, there is a rumour circulating already. BTF started it in his post. That's why he said: "You heard it here first".

Brian


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Has any one asked what

COLIN FRY

has to say ,


I will have to stop now .....
a message is coming.......

Which thread is it on?

I need to talk to some one called
Q Mum!!!!!!!!!!!


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