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Steve Read (sread)
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posted 02-14-2005 07:01 AM      Profile for Steve Read (sread)   Author's Homepage   Email Steve Read (sread)   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
According to Falmouth Coastguard a ship The Voyager, operated by V Ships which left Livorno on Feb 8, is adrift without power and taking on water after horrendous storm damage 60 miles east of Minorca.

The ship has 408 pax and 314 crew. All electrics out and only able to contact adjacent vessels by handheld radios. French Marine Rescue picked up satellite distress signal.

Gas tanker Gimi is alongside. Apparently waves have smashed the bridge area.

This has been on BBC and newswires but I'm puzzled. What ship?? They say it was launched seven years ago and is registered in Banahas.


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posted 02-14-2005 07:14 AM      Profile for Sea Wanderer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am confused as well, the name (Voyager or The Voyager) isn't familiar to me either.

It can't be the Seven Seas Voyager can it?


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Steve Read (sread)
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posted 02-14-2005 07:20 AM      Profile for Steve Read (sread)   Author's Homepage   Email Steve Read (sread)   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Found her -- http://www.cybercruises.com/voyager.htm -- ex-(Royal) Olympic Voyager, now chartered by IberoJet Cruises of Spain. Fastest cruise ship afloat apparently (or was until today!)

Some news agencies are wrongly saying it's RCCL's Voyager Of The Seas. Voyager is in the Caribbean.


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quote:
Originally posted by sread:
Found her -- http://www.cybercruises.com/voyager.htm -- ex-(Royal) Olympic Voyager, now chartered by IberoJet Cruises of Spain. Fastest cruise ship afloat apparently (or was until today!)

Some news agencies are wrongly saying it's RCCL's Voyager Of The Seas. Voyager is in the Caribbean.


I just found her on Equasis: www.equasis.org

Edit: I have just found a picture I took of her at Hamburg, when she was being completed, in 2000.

[ 02-14-2005: Message edited by: Sea Wanderer ]


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posted 02-14-2005 07:23 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is apparently the ex.Olympia Voyager. A bizarre coincidence that both she and her sister Explorer have suffered wave damage on opposite sides of the planet within weeks of each other!
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posted 02-14-2005 07:53 AM      Profile for Patrick     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It definitely is the VOYAGER. Vesselis now owned by Horizon Navigation (V-Ships) and chartered to Ibrojet.

Here the latest news:
A cruise liner with more than 700 people on board - most of them Spanish - has been crippled by a severe storm in the western Mediterranean.
A French-led rescue is under way to reach the stricken Voyager, now about 100 km (60 miles) from Menorca.

Several people suffered minor injuries and the ship has lost all engine power, a spokesman for its owner, V Ships of Monaco, told the BBC News website.

It was sailing from Sardinia, on a voyage from Tunis to Barcelona.

The spokesman said the crew were battling to restore engine power and a liquefied gas tanker, the Gimi, was on the scene after receiving the distress call.

Battered by storm

A high wave smashing through the windows of the bridge and damaging electronics is thought to have caused the power cut.

The distress call from the ship said it was taking on water and was in "terrible condition," UK coastguards reported.

They received the message just after 0900 GMT on Monday via the Gimi.

The French coastguards told the BBC that the ship was not on fire and not in danger of sinking.

Two tugs - one Spanish and one French - are travelling to the stricken vessel and hoping to tow it into a French port, they said.

The V Ships spokesman said they would be there within 14 hours.

Several aircraft have also been sent to the scene.

Most of the passengers are Spanish and the ship is chartered to the Barcelona cruise firm Iberojet, the V Ships spokesman said.

"When she does get some engine power back, the crew will turn the vessel into the weather. It is pretty rough out there, so I'm sure it isn't particularly comfortable. Any vessel will be being knocked around a lot," the spokesman said.

The ship, registered in the Bahamas and owned by Horizon Navigation, was built in 2000.

from BBC

Patrick


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Ernst
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posted 02-14-2005 07:59 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
According to a french news-ticker, the ship (obvioulsy the ex Olympia Voyager) had communication problems, but is still manouvrable with one engine. The ship is in a difficult situation, but not endangered of sinking or fire.
As mentioned, a gas tanker (the Gimi) and aeroplanes are in her proximity.
There are no reports of casualties aboard.
Let`s hope the best for the passengers and crew.

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posted 02-14-2005 08:43 AM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Apparantly both of these ships have flawed bridge desgins: too low down and too far forward.
Why are there not redundant controls in the engine room?

How can power from the bridge completely knock out the powerplant?


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posted 02-14-2005 09:33 AM      Profile for Sea Wanderer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by desirod7:
Apparantly both of these ships have flawed bridge desgins: too low down and too far forward.


And they're better than most modern designs which seem to hardly have any bows at all - a lot of modern cruise ships and ferries are designed with very short bows, which can't offer much protection in bad weather.


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posted 02-14-2005 09:47 AM      Profile for CGT        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That is really bizarre. What a coincidence.
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posted 02-14-2005 10:38 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by desirod7:
Apparantly both of these ships have flawed bridge desgins: too low down and too far forward.
Why are there not redundant controls in the engine room?

How can power from the bridge completely knock out the powerplant?


1. The hull form is quite O.K., alos the structural strength is superior to oldr vessesl. Please not again the "old ship" / long bow ... is better discussion.

3. Of course you can control her from the engine room. But I agree that the redundancy aboard ships is not as good as it could be. Such an incident should not leave a ship without any control for a too long time; also there have been quite a lot of black-outs during the last years.

2. Some systems are protected against damage, e.g. a lot of diesel engines switch off when tilted too much. Obvioulsy there are no backup systems or proper plans for a quick restart as this happend now quite often, and always took "some hours". (e.g. why not running with only one propeller in such a storm, to be able to start the other one quickly?)


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posted 02-14-2005 11:02 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is of course very speculative (on the "conicidence"): MAYBE they (both) were too fast? With these strong engines there might be the temptation to deploy to much thrust in such a storm. (this is also one of the more "conventionial" explanaitions I heard for the Estonia disaster. She also was quite strong, in this case not to be fast, but to go trough ice)
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Steve Read (sread)
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posted 02-14-2005 11:25 AM      Profile for Steve Read (sread)   Author's Homepage   Email Steve Read (sread)   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They have now managed to restart two engines and are heading for Cagliari, Sardinia, under their own power, escorted by the LPG supertanker Gimi and a (British) Roval Navy ship. They can't get into nearest port Mahon, Menorca, because the harbour is closed because of the storm.

Sounds like one heck of a bad weather day!


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posted 02-14-2005 11:28 AM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
According to a flemish news site, the storm has abated, there are no high waves anymore, and nobody is hurt onboard.

I think that if two ships of the same design get in trouble within weeks from each other in high seas, at different sides of the world, that is not coincidence anymore.

It is not often you hear that kind of news from rather new cruiseships. Somewhere there is a connection, if not in the design, than in the designated way of handling the ship. The coincidence si too big to be a coincidence.

J


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posted 02-14-2005 11:54 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
...

I think that if two ships of the same design get in trouble within weeks from each other in high seas, at different sides of the world, that is not coincidence anymore.

It is not often you hear that kind of news from rather new cruiseships. Somewhere there is a connection, if not in the design, than in the designated way of handling the ship. The coincidence si too big to be a coincidence.

J[/QB]


It probably is conicidence. (..my earlier psoting is just speculation, nthing more...)

Here is an uncomplete list of recent black-outs I remember:

- ms Europa lost power & manouvrability during her "trials" in the baltic

- Some years ago one of the Grande Navi Veloci ferries has been drifitng for some hours in the Med.

- The Millenium had quite often problems

- the Bremen had a black-out after a freak-wave hit and damaged her (also, another expedition vessel has been hit by this storm)

- Hanseatic had the same problem, but not as severe

- a HAL ship (the Amsterdam ?) had a blackout during a storm, causing her to roll severly

- the falling apart QE2 obvioulsly encountered several power failure recently (O.K. she is not new..)

again, by far not complete.


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posted 02-14-2005 12:12 PM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ernst......

It was Rotterdam VI, not Amsterdam that lost
power at sea in late September or so.


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posted 02-14-2005 12:22 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As I thought with her sister, her large bridge windows seem to be very low and are vulnerable to wave damage. If you see the pictures Pam posted of her near sister showing the bridge front, there is no set back for the water do be re-directed once it washes over the forcastle. The bridge is only 1 deck above the short forcastle. Other ships do have shorter forcastles, but their forward facing larger windows and bridges are positioned on higher decks. I remember seeing photos of older smaller liners that had portholes for bridge windows which would be much stronger should they encounter a large wave.
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posted 02-14-2005 12:39 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Again, this is a little bit to simple. We do not "see" how strong the windows are (or were supposed to be) Maybe such a case has been considered during the design, and the windows normally should be able to withstand that easily (on her sister, only one window broke)
Also, one can not that easily "see" the bahaviour of a ship in the waves. (and where bridge windows would be "safe") In the same way as it is said here, that a longer bow would be better, I could say her steep, raked bow makes her reacting more severly to the wave, pushing up the ship, before the water is coming close to the bridge.

Nevertheless, I do not like the fact, that after such an incident, or even a more "simple" breakdown of on board systems, ships stay that long without any possibilty to manouvre.


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I just think that its totally bizarre that this happened within weeks of each other!
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Thw wrath of the Greek Gods over the final demise of ROC?
Amazing this could happen to both ships. The windows are 2 decks above the foredeck; but surely it depends on the angle of the wave hitting, the type of glass & speed of ship 'into the wave', probably other factors too, as to whether any ship's windows will break, I don't think one can say it's purely to do with height. Similar has happened to many other ships over the years, as has loss of power, even without windows being smashed [Rotterdam & QE2 both fairly recently].

Pam


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I found a site that has an incredible photo of Carnival Triumph taken during a storm. The site is web.usna.mil/~phmiller/en358/EN358.htm

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posted 02-14-2005 10:13 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
lasuvidaboy wrote:
I found a site that has an incredible photo of Carnival Triumph taken during a storm

For a larger version: click here.

Amazing image. Just goes to show you why QM2 was built the way she was for day-in and day-out rough weather. Not to say that most modern day cruise ships aren't capable of riding storms out but wouldn't it be better on something that had a boat/promenade deck higher up and less exposed decks?

******

Cheers


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She is just digging her stubby nose in! Imagine the much smaller and lower Explorer/Voyager in a similar storm.
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posted 02-15-2005 04:13 AM      Profile for The Merchant   Author's Homepage   Email The Merchant   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
She is just digging her stubby nose in! Imagine the much smaller and lower Explorer/Voyager in a similar storm.

I can see the temptation in asking if this is the Wrath of the Greek Gods. However, it totally amazes me that the glass is fitted on modern bridges which is allowed or known to break!! WHY? Modern heat tempering and even bullet proofing glasses are available, as well as specialist types of coated polycarbonate sheet, most of which are virtually - pardon the pun - bullet proof. I know this as I sell such products for a living.

Can someone enlighten me why this old practice (glass) is maintained under SOLAS; after all, no bridge means virtually no ship control!

The Merchant


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quote:
Originally posted by bulbousbow:

For a larger version: click here.

Amazing image. Just goes to show you why QM2 was built the way she was for day-in and day-out rough weather. Not to say that most modern day cruise ships aren't capable of riding storms out but wouldn't it be better on something that had a boat/promenade deck higher up and less exposed decks?

******

Cheers


What is the problem?
Of course her bow is "digging" into the wave, but she has to move up, because she is swimming on the water.
Having the lifboats in such a low position is a SOLAS requirement: It is very difficult for most passengers to make their way to lifboats, which are on one of the upper decks, and it is less dangerous when boarding them.


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