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got this via email (not sure how reliable it could be through)
quote: HiNew to this group. I was on QE2 for Christmas and spoke to some of the officers regarding QV. Here is the scoop:QV will enter service Jan '08. QE2 will do the 2007 and 2008 world cruises and be pulled out of service sometime in 2009. The designers of QV have gone back to the drawing broad to make her around 90,000 tons, double hull and have the bowlines of QE2 and QM2. This is all for crossing purposes. She will still have the superstructure of the Holland Amer. design. I also understand that her decor will be more in lines of the British stated elegance of QE2 and with take around 1300-1800 passengers.I hope that Cunard learns from the QM imperfections and will improve on the QV design.MK
New to this group. I was on QE2 for Christmas and spoke to some of the officers regarding QV. Here is the scoop:
QV will enter service Jan '08. QE2 will do the 2007 and 2008 world cruises and be pulled out of service sometime in 2009.
The designers of QV have gone back to the drawing broad to make her around 90,000 tons, double hull and have the bowlines of QE2 and QM2. This is all for crossing purposes. She will still have the superstructure of the Holland Amer. design. I also understand that her decor will be more in lines of the British stated elegance of QE2 and with take around 1300-1800 passengers.
I hope that Cunard learns from the QM imperfections and will improve on the QV design.
MK
E-mails, rumours and speculation about the QE2 retiring have been circulating on Cruisetalk ever since it began. The only facts are that she will retire sooner or later. Many of us think it will be sooner rather than later
I suspect it will either be..
1) When the QE2 reaches a point where she is too expensive to maintain compared to the profits she generates. She obviously is not at that point yet, but may be within the next few years?
or
2) When the Queen Victoria is fully established.
Or
3) Which ever comes first!
As for the "The designers of QV have gone back to the drawing broad to make her around 90,000 tons, double hull and have the bowlines of QE2 and QM2. This is all for crossing purposes".
This sounds like a 'spoof' at worst or 'wishful thinking' at best. QV will be a modified Vista Class cruise ship NOT an Ocean Liner.
I understand that the QV modifications are all about internal spaces i.e. more Penthouses, bigger Kitchens for Grill dining etc. and not the hull or superstructure.
Quote: I hope that Cunard learns from the QM imperfections and will improve on the QV design.
I really do not think the QM2 has many imperfections. Although I am not keen by several of the public spaces (namely King Court and the Disco) this is rather subjective. As far as I'm concerned she's 95% perfect!
I can't imagine having the same feelings about a Vista Class ship which has been given a makeover to pose as a cunarded!
[ 02-14-2005: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]
quote:Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:I can't imagine having the same feelings about a Vista Class ship which has been given a makeover to pose as a cunarded![ 02-14-2005: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]
Onno has some very good ideas on turning the Volkswagen Vista into an Audi , OK blended scotch into single malt. It can be done
http://www.onnoheesbeen.com/Vista.html
Chris' Cunard Page QV2
quote:Originally posted by Ðraikar:I hoped QV would look like the design I did shown atChris' Cunard Page QV2
Brian
P.S. I wonder who the "drawing broad" is. Does she realize that she is being called that behind her back?
[ 02-14-2005: Message edited by: Brian_O ]
quote:Originally posted by Ernst:Just a question to everybody, who comes up with these very nice phantasy designs: Do you also think about the interior/layout or are you only interested in the exterior appearance of your designs?
Exterior appearance 100% all the way
quote:Originally posted by Ðraikar:Exterior appearance 100% all the way
So, when they intend to sell and rename a ship they should ask the artist in this forum for the brochure pictures.
quote:Originally posted by Brian_O:P.S. I wonder who the "drawing broad" is. Does she realize that she is being called that behind her back?
Based on the email, I think a new bowline might be possible...double hull? finally decision might be "too expense" said by Mickey Arison and dumped.
quote:Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage: QV will be a modified Vista Class cruise ship NOT an Ocean Liner.
You really have no idea.
A combination of both. For the last 20-25 years nearly every cruise ship has been built from the inside out. This has produced some of the ugliest creations ever to go to sea. A cruise ship IMO should be a thing of style and beauty. It is possible to design a good looking cruise ship such as the Disney twins, Oriana and Aurora, Sovereign Class and the Statendam Class but most other newbuilds are just plain ugly.
quote:Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:It is possible to design a good looking cruise ship such as the Disney twins, Oriana and Aurora, Sovereign Class and the Statendam Class but most other newbuilds are just plain ugly.
quote:Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:A combination of both. For the last 20-25 years nearly every cruise ship has been built from the inside out. This has produced some of the ugliest creations ever to go to sea. A cruise ship IMO should be a thing of style and beauty. It is possible to design a good looking cruise ship such as the Disney twins, Oriana and Aurora, Sovereign Class and the Statendam Class but most other newbuilds are just plain ugly.
A good example is the Hanseatic: A very beautiful vessel when you are onboard, but....For most passengers this is of course the most important thing, but I always expierienced that a "beautiful" exterior appearance contributes also the the "feeling well" of the passengers.
quote:Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:Who sent you the e-mail? Micky Arison himself?E-mails, rumours and speculation about the QE2 retiring have been circulating on Cruisetalk ever since it began. The only facts are that she will retire sooner or later. Many of us think it will be sooner rather than laterI suspect it will either be..1) When the QE2 reaches a point where she is too expensive to maintain compared to the profits she generates. She obviously is not at that point yet, but may be within the next few years?or2) When the Queen Victoria is fully established.Or3) Which ever comes first!As for the "The designers of QV have gone back to the drawing broad to make her around 90,000 tons, double hull and have the bowlines of QE2 and QM2. This is all for crossing purposes". This sounds like a 'spoof' at worst or 'wishful thinking' at best. QV will be a modified Vista Class cruise ship NOT an Ocean Liner.[ 02-14-2005: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]
I too understand that this is mostlikely a spook or wishful thinking, but you never know, wasnt speculation that the Horizen (and maybe even the Zenith) will be going to Island Cruises, and look what happened, one of them went so far.
It was one og those emails from a cunard form.
quote:Originally posted by Ernst:If I were Cunard, I would keep these things secret as long and possible....
I suspect that is exactly what they are doing!
quote:Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:Cunard will treat it like 'Cher's Farewell Tour', That 'farewell' tour is now in it's third year!
Interesting comparison. Cher has had more refits than the QE2!
quote:Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:Interesting comparison. Cher has had more refits than the QE2!
But not as many as Joan Rivers (who freely admits it) or a certain english born, frequently married, academy award winning actress, often named by Joan Rivers, who vehemently denies it.
quote:Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:QE2 is basically 17 years old mechanically and still in great shape.
I do not agree: It os only her engine room, which is only 17 years old. As mentioned, a well mantained machinery can be operated for a much longer time. (whether this makes sense or not is another question) But QE2`s engine room seems to be in a bad condition: e.g. the flooding has been actually causes by a pipe, which has been installed during her refit 17 years ago. (it failed, because it virtually consisted of rust only; I have no idea how this can happen) Also her schedule is much more intense than a normal cruise ship or even ferry. And, again the rest of the ship (esp. hull) is older, and some "componentes" are really not up-to-date anymore.(I do not like her firedoors, and the Al superstructure)
[ 02-19-2005: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]
quote:Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:The hull and superstructure will suffer from erosion. This cannot easily be replace
No,it is not erosion, the main problem is fatigue. (and there is nothing you can do against that)
By the way: That`s why a "liner" has to be built "stonger": In the storms it encounters more often it`s bent and twisted more often. Therefor all the assumptions, that a normal ship would not survive an atlantic storm, because the steel plates are thinner are wrong. A "normal" cruise ship doing such a service just would have to be replaced earlier due to material fatigue than a "liner" with "stronger" structures, but it`s hull/structure definitly withstands these forces.
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