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LeBarryboat
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posted 02-15-2005 01:22 PM      Profile for LeBarryboat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Having visited many cruise ships over the years, I recall that there were instances when I interacted with "actual" passengers, perhaps in the buffet line. Of course when you are on the ship on sailing day, it's difficult to know who are passengers and who are visitors. So in conversation, I may have said, once or twice, that I look forward to seeing them throughout the cruise, and that this cruise is going to be fun. I can just picture these people thinking to themselves later during the cruise.....I wonder where that nice young man is that we met on the first day?

I know that in my early years of visiting cruise ships, I had always wanted to go on a cruise, but didn't have the opportunity or the money...so it was kind of a fantasy to pretent that I was about to cruise, along with all the other passengers...even though I had to disembark just before the gangway was taken away.

Has anyone else had similar experiences where you engaged in conversations with a passenger, but neglected to say that you were just visiting the ship?


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Willem
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posted 02-15-2005 01:48 PM      Profile for Willem        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by LeBarryboat:

Has anyone else had similar experiences where you engaged in conversations with a passenger, but neglected to say that you were just visiting the ship?

When visiting a ship, you have to wear a badge, mostly with 'visitor' on it and most of the time you belong to a group, so there is little chance to act being a passenger.



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LeBarryboat
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posted 02-15-2005 02:41 PM      Profile for LeBarryboat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My experiences happened years ago. For the most part yes you need to wear a badge that says "Visitor", but those badges can be removed and tucked in your pocket. I rarely ever visited a ship with a group. I can only remember once or twice where I had to be in a group for a tour of the ship. The norm is, however; that you must be escorted in a group, but I usually didn't board the ships under those conditions.
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posted 02-15-2005 02:45 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by LeBarryboat:
Has anyone else had similar experiences where you engaged in conversations with a passenger, but neglected to say that you were just visiting the ship?

No.


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recab
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posted 02-15-2005 02:55 PM      Profile for recab   Email recab   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have visited countless of ships during the years and very seldom have needed a badge or been in a group. Very often I am engaged in conversations with passengers and very often I have to tell them that "today I am only a guest onboard".
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wile1170
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posted 02-15-2005 03:53 PM      Profile for wile1170   Email wile1170   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I used to go on a lot of turn-around day tours on RCI and Celebrity ships through a friend of mine that worked for RCI.... All we had to do was leave our license at the pier and pick up the visitor badge, that once we got aboard came off and into the pocket.

We always ate the embarkation luncheon and hung out by the pool until it was time to go...the only bad part was not being able to partake in drinks by the pool....

Then when we would leave the ship, we would put our visitor badge back on....


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Willem
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posted 02-16-2005 04:44 AM      Profile for Willem        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by LeBarryboat:
My experiences happened years ago. For the most part yes you need to wear a badge that says "Visitor", but those badges can be removed and tucked in your pocket. I rarely ever visited a ship with a group. I can only remember once or twice where I had to be in a group for a tour of the ship. The norm is, however; that you must be escorted in a group, but I usually didn't board the ships under those conditions.

Well, that's how it works here in Holland.
You can visit a ship either on invitation of a travel agent (and than you are in a group) or on invitation of a crewmember (than you have to be accompanied by that crewmember).

As by the new IPS regulations you cannot board a ship on your own.


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LeBarryboat
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posted 02-16-2005 11:11 AM      Profile for LeBarryboat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What are the new IPS regulations?
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Willem
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posted 02-16-2005 02:17 PM      Profile for Willem        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by LeBarryboat:
What are the new IPS regulations?

International Port Security


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LeBarryboat
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posted 02-16-2005 04:42 PM      Profile for LeBarryboat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would be interested in reading about IPS and the regulations.

[ 02-18-2005: Message edited by: LeBarryboat ]


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posted 02-16-2005 04:49 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by LeBarryboat:
...Turned out I was able to walk right past the security and onto the ship. "Don't try this at home, however, because I'm a pro at getting on ships."

You sound like a veritable Houdini...aren't you worried about getting arrested?


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PamM
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posted 02-16-2005 04:56 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
.. and next time they may well be watching out for you. You did read about the Kokomo dentist in Jacksonville?

Pam


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Ernst
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posted 02-16-2005 05:03 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My first cruise, at the age of five, was stand-by. My parents and me we travelled to Venice, and we just walked aboard (!) to talk to the purser, whether a cabin is free. (I remember Danae, Navarino (ex Gripsholm) Romanza and La Palma) - finally the Andrea C. became my fist ship )
During this cruise we also visited other ships (I remember Ausonia and Espresso Crointho ), and I remeber that we even had a drink at a bar on another ship. (paying cash at the bar was possible and not so unusual)
Since the "Acchille Lauro" hijacking this sadly stopped. After that I once could visit in an "exchange program" the Vistafjord, and recently I made it to the promendae deck of the Oceanic (when she was new to Pulmantur), but that`s it.
So I have to cruise with every damned ship I am interested in. Nevertheless, I still go to every f... gangway and ask the same question again and again...

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LeBarryboat
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posted 02-16-2005 05:36 PM      Profile for LeBarryboat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tell me about the Kokomo Dentist situation?

[ 02-18-2005: Message edited by: LeBarryboat ]


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joe at travelpage
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posted 02-16-2005 06:11 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by LeBarryboat:
Tell me about the Kokomo Dentist situation?

Here's the story.

quote:
Kokomo dentist faces teeth of law

Associated Press
January 26, 2005

KOKOMO, Ind. -- The state attorney general's office has asked that the medical license of a dentist who is charged in Florida with trying to bring drugs onto a cruise ship be suspended.

Matthew D. Pate, 38, of Kokomo was arrested earlier this month in Jacksonville, Fla., on charges he tried to smuggle 18 hits of Ecstasy and marijuana onto a cruise ship. He faces a felony charge of possession of a controlled substance and a misdemeanor marijuana possession charge.

The State Board of Dentistry scheduled a Feb. 4 hearing on the suspension request. The suspension, if approved, would be for 90 days until a full hearing can take place, said Staci Schneider, a spokeswoman for the attorney general's office.

The petition from the attorney general's office said Pate's drug use presented an immediate danger to public safety.

Pate's attorney, David Jose, said he had received much support from his patients.

"We expect to work through any questions or concerns that the dental board may have, and Dr. Pate looks forward to continuing to provide pediatric dental care for his patients," Jose said.

Ken Jefferson, a spokesman for the Jacksonville Sheriff's Department, said Pate was arrested as police dogs were used to search passengers boarding the ship after investigators saw several online posts that people would try to bring drugs onto the cruise.


I think the key point is that making online postings about about one's illegal activities - and yes, "sneaking" aboard a cruise ship is against the law - is probably not a good idea...

Joe at TravelPage.com


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VDK
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posted 02-16-2005 06:18 PM      Profile for VDK   Email VDK   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can remember when I was younger and living in Victoria, my father would get us on ships all the time just by talking to the gangway staff. In those times I managed to see the MONTERY, FAIRSEA, PACIFIC PRINCESS, ARCADIA, ROTTERDAM and the VISTAFJORD. It was a great time when the world was less paranoid and more free!
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Brian_O
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posted 02-16-2005 06:25 PM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Back in the good old days (about 20 years ago) anyone could go aboard Home Lines ships in New york simply by buying a visitor's card for the grand sum of $2. Having done so one could roam the ship unsupervised. That's how I got to see just how ugly the interiors of Atlantic were when she was new. Chandris Fantasy Cruises also sold $2 tickets to go aboard Britanis, Amerikanis or Galileo in New York. Of course, getting aboard QE2 in any port as a visitor has always been extremely difficult but not impossible.

Brian


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Onno
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posted 02-16-2005 06:38 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by LeBarryboat:
Security was a little shocked to see the wrong passenger card (and passenger) departing the ship...I'm sure they wondered how the heck I got onboard in the first place. As I was leaving...I said..oh oh...I got on the wrong ship.

I would be interested in reading about IPS and the regulations.


It aren’t the terrorist that make security take paranoid measures (a terrorist is invisible if the wants to do harm), but acts like these create the paranoid policy of today’s security and create a surrounding in which ship lovers can’t even get close to make a decent picture.


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Ernst
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posted 02-16-2005 06:47 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Onno:

It aren’t the terrorist that make security take paranoid measures (a terrorist is invisible if the wants to do harm), but acts like these create the paranoid policy of today’s security and create a surrounding in which ship lovers can’t even get close to make a decent picture.


I guess terrorist can afford a cruise ticket. And very often these security things are inconsistent. (I hate that) But I do not think that security is the reason for not allowing visitors. They could e.g. sell a limited number of tickets in advance. (one could could even argue, that on board facilites would be more efficiently used, as on some ships, a lot of passengers would be ashore...) I think it`s just to complicated for the cruise lines. Imagine a ship delaying it`s departure, because they do not find a visitor.
And I have to admit, that I think about taking some cruises, because I want to see a certain feature of a ship. (e.g. the "spoiler" lounge of the Grand Class, or the restaurant on the Legend of the Seas) I would be happy if I could just visit them, and spend my preciouse holiday time on ships I like. (...sound strange, I know)


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So having noted your activities in Nassau, next time your name is on a passenger list, you will be watched. [The update on the dentist is here. He was lucky not to have been suspended immediately].

In Nov '03, before the latest ISP rules, walking around the Port of Marseille, I came across Princess Danae. Took a few photos, and noted there was no-one at the gangway and she looked fairly devoid of life except for a couple of workmen on deck. I debated walking up the gangway and sticking my head inside, but alone with 3 kids over on Lirica, I didn't think it was too good an idea in case I did get arrested.

I kicked myself a few weeks later when I got an email from the receptionist aboard. She'd seen my photos online and said she'd wished I had walked up, as PD was being prepared for her forthcoming Transat, had no pax aboard for a week, and she [the receptionist] being a bit bored, would have loved to have shown me around. One can't win!

Pam

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Ernst
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posted 02-16-2005 06:56 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
...but alone with 3 kids over on Lirica, I didn't think it was too good an idea in case I did get arrested.
[ 02-16-2005: Message edited by: PamM ]

I remeber my father boarding one of the laid up Adriatic vessels in Venice. Me as a child I have been frighten too much to follow him, and "hated" him for that, on the other handtoday I hate myself for not having followed him across that provisional gangway...so the compromise might have been to get your children and show the the Danae...


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posted 02-16-2005 06:58 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
...sorry, wrong smiley:
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quote:
Originally posted by LeBarryboat:
...I don't know about being arrested...it could come across as an honest mistake...oops I got on the wrong ship..sorry.

Ok, Mr. LeBarryboat (...or whatever your real name is) we've got you on our watch list so next time you try any shenanigans like that we'll be hauling you off to the hooskow.

Don't try it again....you have been warned.


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posted 02-16-2005 09:25 PM      Profile for Jonathan   Author's Homepage   Email Jonathan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually when the supper bowl was held in my home town of jacksonville i ate lunch on the carnival miracle and they gave us badges and sent us on our way to the ship. We got there early before luch was served so they said keep the badges on and dont eat breakfast as soon as we stepped on board we took the badges off and ate breakfast. We blended in like everyone else. They never said a word to us. We toured the ship and ate breakfast and luch. So there is to show you you can kinda sneek around a ship and what poor security.

Jonathan


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posted 02-17-2005 03:48 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I find it so difficult to arrange ship visits these days for myself (I'm talking legitimate visits, not Barryboat SAS style) that I find it quicker to save up and buy a mini-cruise on the vessel that I am interested in.

Some of you will know that I organise Ship Visits for the UK 'Ocean Liner Society', and it's very hard work.

For every 10 request I make, I probably get 6 non-replies, 3 'no chance' and 1 'maybe' - which may or may not materialise into an actual visit. Generally, the bigger the cruise line the less helpful they are.


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