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quote:Gateway dwarfed as gigantic cruise ship graces BrisbaneMarch 9, 2005The biggest ocean liner ever to visit Queensland has sailed into the Port of Brisbane.The Sapphire Princess is two-and-a-half-times the size of the Titanic. P&O Cruises spokesman Gavin Smith says at 63-metres high, the ship will not fit under the Gateway Bridge."She'll be tying up at Fisherman Islands today where she's going to disembark passengers for tours of Brisbane and the Gold Coast hinterland before departing this evening for Bangkok," he said.ABC Online NewsBow view from Sapphire Diamond while at Fisherman Islands container terminal
The biggest ocean liner ever to visit Queensland has sailed into the Port of Brisbane.
The Sapphire Princess is two-and-a-half-times the size of the Titanic.
P&O Cruises spokesman Gavin Smith says at 63-metres high, the ship will not fit under the Gateway Bridge.
"She'll be tying up at Fisherman Islands today where she's going to disembark passengers for tours of Brisbane and the Gold Coast hinterland before departing this evening for Bangkok," he said.
ABC Online News
Bow view from Sapphire Diamond while at Fisherman Islands container terminal
What other cruise ships (that may in future visit Brisbane) cannot fit under the Gateway Bridge?
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quote: What other cruise ships (that may in future visit Brisbane) cannot fit under the Gateway Bridge?
ive seen pictures of the RCI Legend of the Seas going under the bridge... so im guessing similar ships like the Aurora/Oriana may possibly make it under? (only guessing here)
also just curious... does anyone with local knowledge know how far it is from the fishermans island wharf to the city? would there have been a 30min shuttle or similar?
Does anyone know the vertical clearance of the Brisbane Gateway Bridge?
[ 03-10-2005: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]
quote:Ocean Liners wrote:Does anyone know the vertical clearance of the Brisbane Gateway Bridge?
At its highest point the Gateway Bridge has a clearance of 64.5 metres above water.
How high is Sapphire Princess above waterline?
quote:Originally posted by bulbousbow:At its highest point the Gateway Bridge has a clearance of 64.5 metres above water.How high is Sapphire Princess above waterline?******Cheers
From www.qldmotorways.com.au
The bridge owes its distinctive shape to air traffic requirements restricting its height to under 80m above sea level (all features of the bridge including light poles) while shipping needs demanded a navigational clearance of 55m - a narrow envelope in which to construct one and a half kilometres of bridge.
At its highest point, the Gateway Bridge is 64.5m above the Brisbane River - the equivalent of a 20 storey building
quote:Container city sorry sight for touristsBy Greg Stolz and Malcolm ColeMarch 10, 2005ONE of the world's biggest cruise ships was forced to tie up at the Port of Brisbane's unsightly container wharves yesterday, unable to dock at Hamilton where a new $350 million cruise ship terminal complex is being built.Too big to fit under the Gateway Bridge, the 300m, 18-storey high Sapphire Princess had to unload its 2700 passengers at Fisherman Islands, where some waited up to two hours in the hot sun for coaches into the city. Many angry and frustrated passengers decided to give Brisbane a wide berth and return to the ship. The embarrassing welcome came as a new report, unveiled by Premier Peter Beattie in State Parliament yesterday, revealed a cruise ship terminal proposed for the Gold Coast could accommodate increasingly large ships such as the Sapphire Princess. But Mr Beattie deflected suggestions that the Hamilton facility, being developed by the State Government and construction giant Multiplex, was fatally flawed. "We don't expect every ship to go through Brisbane," he said. "Big ships will go through the Gold Coast or Townsville where they don't have these problems. Brisbane will get its fair share." P&O Cruises managing director Gavin Smith said having two cruise ship terminals in southeast Queensland – one of them unable to accommodate big ships – was not a waste of taxpayer funds and resources. Mr Smith said that, despite a worldwide trend towards building mega-liners such as the Sapphire Princess, only a handful of existing ships would be unable to fit under the Gateway Bridge. "Hamilton will be able to accommodate most of the ships that come to Australia for probably the next 25 years," he said. "Having two cruise ship terminals in southeast Queensland, and possibly two more in Townsville and Cairns, is a responsible strategy and will give cruise ship operators greater flexibility." Mr Beattie told Parliament that simulation tests conducted in Malaysia had found large ships such as the Sapphire Princess would be able to safely navigate the Southport Seaway. He said the results of the simulation, which modelled wind gusts of up to 20 knots and sea swells of up to 3m, were "encouraging". "The largest of the cruise ships simulated, the Golden Princess, which is 290 metres long, was able to safely navigate the seaway and dock in almost all weather conditions that the Gold Coast experiences," Mr Beattie said. He said the next stage of the Gold Coast cruise terminal development, if it proceeded, would be community consultation and an environmental impact study. Any project would require dredging operations to allow access for the large vessels. Angry Gold Coast residents yesterday vowed to continue their fight against a cruise ship terminal. Lyn Wright, of the Main Beach Progress Association, said the results of the computer simulations were "no great surprise". "As far as we're concerned we'll still keep fighting it because that area is too precious," Mrs Wright said. The Courier Mail
ONE of the world's biggest cruise ships was forced to tie up at the Port of Brisbane's unsightly container wharves yesterday, unable to dock at Hamilton where a new $350 million cruise ship terminal complex is being built.
Too big to fit under the Gateway Bridge, the 300m, 18-storey high Sapphire Princess had to unload its 2700 passengers at Fisherman Islands, where some waited up to two hours in the hot sun for coaches into the city.
Many angry and frustrated passengers decided to give Brisbane a wide berth and return to the ship.
The embarrassing welcome came as a new report, unveiled by Premier Peter Beattie in State Parliament yesterday, revealed a cruise ship terminal proposed for the Gold Coast could accommodate increasingly large ships such as the Sapphire Princess.
But Mr Beattie deflected suggestions that the Hamilton facility, being developed by the State Government and construction giant Multiplex, was fatally flawed.
"We don't expect every ship to go through Brisbane," he said. "Big ships will go through the Gold Coast or Townsville where they don't have these problems. Brisbane will get its fair share."
P&O Cruises managing director Gavin Smith said having two cruise ship terminals in southeast Queensland – one of them unable to accommodate big ships – was not a waste of taxpayer funds and resources.
Mr Smith said that, despite a worldwide trend towards building mega-liners such as the Sapphire Princess, only a handful of existing ships would be unable to fit under the Gateway Bridge.
"Hamilton will be able to accommodate most of the ships that come to Australia for probably the next 25 years," he said. "Having two cruise ship terminals in southeast Queensland, and possibly two more in Townsville and Cairns, is a responsible strategy and will give cruise ship operators greater flexibility."
Mr Beattie told Parliament that simulation tests conducted in Malaysia had found large ships such as the Sapphire Princess would be able to safely navigate the Southport Seaway.
He said the results of the simulation, which modelled wind gusts of up to 20 knots and sea swells of up to 3m, were "encouraging".
"The largest of the cruise ships simulated, the Golden Princess, which is 290 metres long, was able to safely navigate the seaway and dock in almost all weather conditions that the Gold Coast experiences," Mr Beattie said.
He said the next stage of the Gold Coast cruise terminal development, if it proceeded, would be community consultation and an environmental impact study. Any project would require dredging operations to allow access for the large vessels.
Angry Gold Coast residents yesterday vowed to continue their fight against a cruise ship terminal.
Lyn Wright, of the Main Beach Progress Association, said the results of the computer simulations were "no great surprise".
"As far as we're concerned we'll still keep fighting it because that area is too precious," Mrs Wright said.
The Courier Mail
quote:Originally posted by bulbousbow:At its highest point the Gateway Bridge has a clearance of 64.5 metres above water.
[ 03-22-2005: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]
quote:Originally posted by bulbousbow:Gateway dwarfed as gigantic cruise ship graces BrisbaneMarch 9, 2005The biggest ocean liner ever to visit Queensland has sailed into the Port of Brisbane.The Sapphire Princess is two-and-a-half-times the size of the Titanic. P&O Cruises spokesman Gavin Smith says at 63-metres high, the ship will not fit under the Gateway Bridge.
March 9, 2005
Sapphire Princess was proceedings to pass under the Yokohama Bay Bridge (vertical clearance is 55 meters)
[ 03-21-2005: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]
Can you answer this?
quote:Originally posted by bulbousbow:Ocean Liners, I asked you a question earlier on in this thread:How high is Sapphire Princess above waterline?Can you answer this?******Cheers
I have posted the following thread here posted 03-19-2005 01:50 AM
quote: (I thought the Clearance for Shipping is 49 meters) but they must shown the height above the waterline not the height from keel to funnel.They are always talking about the height from keel to funnel and not talking about clearance.Below from Sapphire Princess too big for Brisbane [QUOTE]Originally posted by bulbousbow:P&O Cruises spokesman Gavin Smith says at 63-metres high, the ship will not fit under the Gateway Bridge.Cheers
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bulbousbow:P&O Cruises spokesman Gavin Smith says at 63-metres high, the ship will not fit under the Gateway Bridge.Cheers
Princess says ; Height: 205 feet and Draft: 28 feet.
quote:Originally posted by Ocean Liners:From www.qldmotorways.com.auThe bridge owes its distinctive shape to air traffic requirements restricting its height to under 80m above sea level (all features of the bridge including light poles) while shipping needs demanded a navigational clearance of 55m - a narrow envelope in which to construct one and a half kilometres of bridge.
[ 03-19-2005: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]
bulbousbow posted thread 03-19-2005 04:47 AM
quote:Originally posted by bulbousbow:It is interesting you saw this article in our local paper. The funny thing is they don't mention whether she visits Adelaide. As far as I know, thanks to info from jeffrossatsea, she will. Phil, that means she may visit Fremantle as well. Now, can she swing in Fremantle's inner harbour? I know you've had a few of the US aircraft carriers there, but QM2 is longer. My guess is they may squeeze her in since she doesn't need tugs as QE2.******Cheers
It is interesting you saw this article in our local paper. The funny thing is they don't mention whether she visits Adelaide. As far as I know, thanks to info from jeffrossatsea, she will. Phil, that means she may visit Fremantle as well. Now, can she swing in Fremantle's inner harbour? I know you've had a few of the US aircraft carriers there, but QM2 is longer. My guess is they may squeeze her in since she doesn't need tugs as QE2.
quote:Originally posted by bulbousbow:P&O Cruises spokesman Gavin Smith says at 63-metres high, the ship will not fit under the Gateway Bridge.
They are talking about vericale clearance as follows "shipping needs demanded a navigational clearance of 55m.
If the bridge has a clearance of 64.5 metres above water like as you posted.Sapphire Princess can pass without any trouble.At its highest point meant as follows; features of the bridge including light poles.
The 116,000 GT (gross ton), 290 meter-long, Sapphire Princess has a height of 54.0 meters above water surface, almost equal to that of a 18-story building.
It is interesting though that she passed under the Yokohama Bridge...
quote:Ocean Liners wrote:Sapphire Princess was proceedings to pass under the Yokohama Bay Bridge (vertical clearance is 55 meters)
It seems her airdraft then would have been just under 55metres and why is it 63metres now? This would preclude her from passing under the Yokohama Bridge again. Have they added something to her height?
quote:Originally posted by bulbousbow:Ocean Liners, I see what you are saying. The Gateway Bridge has a clearance of 55metres above water and 64.5metres in total height. My mistake by adding the word clearance.It is interesting though that she passed under the Yokohama Bridge... It seems her airdraft then would have been just under 55metres and why is it 63metres now? This would preclude her from passing under the Yokohama Bridge again. Have they added something to her height?******Cheers
Are you kidding?63 meters from keel to top as I posted in my earlier post, her air draft is still 54 meters.
quote:P&O Cruises spokesman Gavin Smith says at 63-metres high, the ship will not fit under the Gateway Bridge.
If her airdraft is 54metres it would have meant she could have passed under the Gateway Bridge (55metres clearance). If it wasn't for tidal reasons I wonder why they didn't go further up the Brisbane River and pass under the bridge. Strange.
quote:Originally posted by bulbousbow:Ocean Liners, why this statement:P&O Cruises spokesman Gavin Smith says at 63-metres high, the ship will not fit under the Gateway Bridge.If her airdraft is 54metres it would have meant she could have passed under the Gateway Bridge (55metres clearance). If it wasn't for tidal reasons I wonder why they didn't go further up the Brisbane River and pass under the bridge. Strange.******Cheers
P&O Cruises spokesman told her height at 63-metres high(nothing more).
That't why Iasked about the Gateway Bridge's clearance on March 10.
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