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Fairsky
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posted 05-22-2005 03:48 PM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Given the discussion about the new Pride of America's appearance, I thought it might be interesting to see what ships appeared radically different upon delivery when compared with earlier renderings.

Two that come to mind immediately for me are:
Star Princess (1989)...originally ordered as Sitmar Fairmajesty. The first public rendering was for a very futuristic looking ship with sleak lines. The reality was a very boxy and uninspiring.

Grand Princess... original renderings were also for a much sleaker looking ship with angular funnel. Reality was a very round prow and chunky funnel.

Photos are welcome.


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posted 05-22-2005 04:06 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Home Line's ATLANTIC...

Render:

Final product:


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posted 05-22-2005 04:07 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Excellent topic!

The QM2 looks better in real life than her original drawings. We all thought the funnel looked to short in the drawings, in the flesh it looks enormous.

(O.K I know it's still too short, but it's grown on me.)


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cruiseshipluver
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posted 05-22-2005 10:32 PM      Profile for cruiseshipluver   Author's Homepage   Email cruiseshipluver   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
Excellent topic!

The QM2 looks better in real life than her original drawings. We all thought the funnel looked to short in the drawings, in the flesh it looks enormous.

(O.K I know it's still too short, but it's grown on me.)


that is so tru Malcolm, i did not like how the origanal drawings looked......esp the very first one i think that was brought out in 98 or 2000 ...sumthing like that.


Keitaro, as for Atlantic, you can see the grave difference between rendering and actual ship.


Can sumone post a rendering of POA and then the real completion photo?????
cruiseshipluver


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Waynaro
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posted 05-22-2005 10:42 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by cruiseshipluver:
Can sumone post a rendering of POA and then the real completion photo?????
cruiseshipluver


Here ya go cruiseshipluver


Big Version


Big Version


Big Version
More completion pics

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cruiseshipluver
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posted 05-23-2005 12:11 AM      Profile for cruiseshipluver   Author's Homepage   Email cruiseshipluver   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
actually Keitaro, she is a bit more interesting than i thought.........though the stern is rather square i like the sloping step back stern balconies going up to the tents...... particularly, the hull art is stunning...and another good highlight is the floral paintings or stickers along the promanade...as is seen on Dawn,Star, Sun, and Pride of Aloha ex Nor..Sky.......and i also see Lloyd Werft put their signature on the hull too!..........she seems to look better frum far away.....what i dont like tho is how they started with the oval shaped balcony cavaties up front(jus behind the bridge) and then they changed back to the normal type....to me that looks hideous.....then the Bridge looks like it has been slapped on......it doesnt look like it has been incorperated into the structure........then the famed Forward Superstructure.....the slant angle is TOO great...and carries on up for too many decks...then the bow......TOO SHORTTTTTTT..then also...the midsection area by the pools between the *SATCOM BALLS* is too deep offsetting the lines. For me, the N.Star/Dawn radar mast is not going too well with the flat forward superstructure. IN my opinion, i think POA should have a Blue Pin stripe line above the draft line for the whole lenght of the hull....Did i say nice hull art??????...wow...
cruiseshipluver

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posted 05-23-2005 12:58 AM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
here the first impression of POA before the hull was sold to NCL America. Project America of the now disfunct United States Lines. Was planned to see operation in 2003.

The original design opted fore the short bow. But it seems that the verandah was drawn al the way to the front of the deckhouse. Also the funnel was chansed. I like the original design. The ship looks better with here dark hull. Still don't like the front/bow design ugly even by today standards.

Simplon PC

Greetings Ben.

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posted 05-23-2005 02:18 AM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Maasdam:
here the first impression of POA before the hull was sold to NCL America. Project America of the now disfunct United States Lines. Was planned to see operation in 2003.

The original design opted fore the short bow. But it seems that the verandah was drawn al the way to the front of the deckhouse. Also the funnel was chansed. I like the original design. The ship looks better with here dark hull. Still don't like the front/bow design ugly even by today standards.

Simplon PC

Greetings Ben.

[ 05-23-2005: Message edited by: Maasdam ]



The solid windowless steel work on the superstructure aft (with the USL logo) is a similar design to the original funnel. With the NCL funnel it looks odd IMO. She really would not look any worse than most newbuilds except for stubby forcastle and blunt prow. She is a perfect candidate for a refit to correct these design errors.


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Fairsky
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posted 05-23-2005 09:36 AM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There were even earlier renderings of the POA- before the blue hulled version shown here. The very earliest drawings were much more sleek and attractive. I will try to post them soon.
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Fairsky
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posted 05-23-2005 10:51 AM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here is an earlier model of Project America (POA). Notice the strange funnel. (This is not the sleek version I mentioned above).

Here is the final version as she would have been built had NCL not taken over. Notice the forward superstructure with the additional balconies NCL removed.


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posted 05-23-2005 11:25 AM      Profile for Thad   Email Thad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A few more PofA renderings.

I like the middle one alot, which was the one shown when Litton signed the contract.


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Maasdam
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posted 05-23-2005 12:06 PM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:

Thanks Thad. It looks like the middle one is a mix up of other cruise ships. The bow section looks as that of the Carnival Destiny.

The rest of the Hull and deckhouses resembled the Vista class.

And the funnel looks like the funnel of the Statendam class.

I like that design it looks much better thene the final design.

Greetings Ben.


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Fairsky
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posted 05-23-2005 12:56 PM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here is the first rendering of QM2 (from 1999).


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cruiseshipluver
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posted 05-23-2005 01:26 PM      Profile for cruiseshipluver   Author's Homepage   Email cruiseshipluver   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
this was the same drawing that i was refering too of QM2, i did not like that at all......
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Onno
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posted 05-23-2005 02:21 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here is a early brochure rendition of the Grand Princess, clearly something went wrong between rendition and the end product.

She went from a sleek speedy dolphin snout to a stubby smirk with a toilet seat on it.

Onno


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posted 05-23-2005 02:47 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I always get the impression that some architects make a drawing - not caring wheter it can be built or not - and other people then take this and try to build it - not necessarily caring about the original idea -

Don`t get me wrong: Nothing against very articstic, sketches studies etc.

But when a new design of ship or a building is presented, always these very first "artistic impressions" are show. I wonder whether this intentional - to "hide" the actual thing (which usually is much uglier) - or is it just the point when the person who makes these (beautiful but often unrealistic) drawings has finished and hands it over to the people who build it?


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posted 05-23-2005 03:05 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The ugly factor is only a result of lately. Our current culture has an identity cries concerning looks and contemporary design (that is why there is such a strong longing for nostalgia and more appreciation of old shapes and design then a lot of crap that is produced these days)

In some years time the end of the 90s and our current time will be known as the faceless years.

The early renditions (and not only ship builders use them but practically every field that has to win over the investors and banks) set the ambiance (in case of a movie) show how the product could look like. They are never intended to give a 100% accurate picture of the end result (there are only some cases that do) The real development can only start if the financing is taken care of.

These drawings aren’t meant to hide the looks of the real product, in some cases you might get that feeling because of cutbacks etc the end result turns out weaker then the first impressions.

Onno

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posted 05-23-2005 03:06 PM      Profile for mec1   Author's Homepage   Email mec1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The same thing is always true of interior images - they always look gigantic and as if there will be 20 foot ceilings!!!!
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Ernst
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posted 05-23-2005 03:16 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Most of this stuff is by far not good enough to be art and for sure not giving an impression of how things will be. I understand that most of these drawings are made to "sell" the product (maybe not so much to the final customer, but the investor) - but in the tourism industry this frequently causes problems - not so much with ships, than with to be built (cheap) hotels - Also, compared to the drawings the photos used later are usually more on the realistic side than they actually would have to be.
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posted 05-23-2005 03:21 PM      Profile for Thad   Email Thad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
double post

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posted 05-23-2005 03:30 PM      Profile for Thad   Email Thad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Keitaro:
Home Line's ATLANTIC...

Render:

Final product:



Looking at that rendering, I wonder if the shipyard any thing to do with it rather than the line. The original rendering of the Fairsky from the same builder looks very similar, and as optimistic...



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posted 05-23-2005 03:33 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Cheating in pictures of ships has a long tradition - just think about all these poster etc. where "liners" are show in a way that they appear to be much bigger than they actually were - e.g. by adding small tugs etc. Somehow the meagships of today have now reached this size in reality.
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posted 05-23-2005 03:40 PM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There are very early renderings of both Sun-class and Grand-class Princess ships that have a very different funnel design than what was actually built. Can anyone find what I'm talking about?
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quote:
Originally posted by Fairsky:
Here is the first rendering of QM2 (from 1999).


Other than the bands on the funnel being to close together and the decks of verandahs being unattractive, I liked this rendering of QM2. Her long forcastle and sleek bow, terraced aft decks and curved stern looked like a modern version of a speedy transatlantic liner IMO. Her bow area looks like a modified modern version of QE1 to me.


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Here is a small early rendering of the Eagle-class (Voyager of the Seas). Note the arc along the aft that connects to the funnel.


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