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Tom Burke
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posted 06-26-2005 11:57 AM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, 'vs' is a bit strong. But I've been going through the new 2006 brochure, and the P&O website, and I get a feeling that Oceana is a bit glitzier than Oriana, even since Oceana moved to P&O.

Can anyone commen who has experience of both these ships? (or, I suppose Oceana and Aurora, which is pretty similar to Oriana)


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-26-2005 12:07 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tom I can’t speak from experience, but I am told that if you want to cruise on a ship which fits P&O's ‘British’ style, Oriana and Aurora are the ones. They are both unique and were purpose built for P&O and us Brits.

Oceana is far too American and glitzy to fit in with P&O’s style, so I've no idea why she is included in their fleet.

[ 06-26-2005: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]


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PamM
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posted 06-26-2005 12:23 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I believe Oceana is going "Freestyle" sometime soon, if not already?

Pam


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Tom Burke
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posted 06-26-2005 12:25 PM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pam:

quote:
I believe Oceana is going "Freestyle" sometime soon, if not already?

See my other new topic!

Tom


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mec1
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posted 06-26-2005 12:52 PM      Profile for mec1   Author's Homepage   Email mec1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oriana is infinitely superior to Oceana in every single way except for the number of balcony cabins.
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Tom Burke
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posted 06-26-2005 01:00 PM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Oriana is infinitely superior to Oceana in every single way except for the number of balcony cabins.

Well, I hear you, but in what way? What makes Oriana so much better?


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philcheese2001
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posted 06-26-2005 02:03 PM      Profile for philcheese2001   Email philcheese2001   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oriana for its public rooms. The theatre is far superior. Chaplins cinema for films..no cinema on Oceana, the wonderfulCurzon room for classical recitals. No such room on Oceana. Such recitals take place ealy evening in the theatre generally with a lack of people. The Oriana has a beautiful Crows Nest for forward observation and evening drinks with combos music. No Crows Nest on Oceana, this area is the midday buffet & evening diner.

Oceana has plenty of glitz, mainly centered on the Atrium, but Oriana beats it hands down. Final decider, the cabins on Oceana are smaller.

That is my experience gained on 3 Oceana cruises & 7 on Oriana

Phil.


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mec1
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posted 06-26-2005 06:45 PM      Profile for mec1   Author's Homepage   Email mec1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Plus Oriana has the fantastic Anderson's for champagne and caviar or a post dinner drink as opposed to the hideous Magnums which is like a terminal 4 bar. Finally Oriana's tiered and terraced stern is beautiful where Oceana's is given over to cabin balconies.
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Waynaro
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posted 06-26-2005 08:16 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think I am seeing how Carnival plans to differentiate P&O and Cunard...

P&O will simply be moved into the mass market segment while Cunard stays in the "premium"/"luxury" segment.


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philcheese2001
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posted 06-27-2005 05:36 AM      Profile for philcheese2001   Email philcheese2001   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
mec1
Yes absolutely right about Andersons. Big difference also in deck space. Quite limited on Oceana compared to Oriana, deck games marked out on the Promenade deck on Oceana which can cause tangles between walkers and players.

I think the point about Oceana/Adonia is that they are essentially "7 day" ships designed for milk runs taking Americans to the Caribbean. For me personally a seven day cruise is more of a "trip out"
I see that more of this type of short cruise seems to be creeping into P. & O. schedules. Maybe to pull those who cannot afford the customary 2 weeks or more, or to attract those people who have done budget cruises of similar duration. I have done a couple, to sample the ship, but they are not for me.

Phil.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-27-2005 05:55 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Waynaro:
P&O will simply be moved into the mass market segment while Cunard stays in the "premium"/"luxury" segment.

I think on paper you are right. However, at present P&O are really no cheaper than Cunards non-grill fares. In other words the prices are certainly NOT mass-market.


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cruiseshipluver
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posted 06-27-2005 11:11 PM      Profile for cruiseshipluver   Author's Homepage   Email cruiseshipluver   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
well naturally Oceana is glitzier than Oriana.....Oriana was purpose built for P&O for the brits....the pre-Oceana(Ocean Princess)... on the other hand was built for the sister company Princess and they are more glitz ang havv hall the bright lights and stuff....then wen she got transferred to the mother company P&O well basically.....they jus colourise her so she can fit in a fleet...but she still had alotta of that ocean princess feel to her so yes she would be alotta glitzyier than Oriana....Oriana is more tradition British taste.
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Tom Burke
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posted 06-28-2005 02:02 AM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I think on paper you are right. However, at present P&O are really no cheaper than Cunards non-grill fares. In other words the prices are certainly NOT mass-market.

Actually, if you work out 'like for like' (or as near as possible) it's interesting how close P&O prices and Olsen prices are, for the same cruise. I've been comparing the prices for 13 and 14 night ex-uk western med cruises for 2006 in Oceana, Oriana, Black Watch and Boudicca, and in fact they end up very close for a typical (ie, non-premium) outside cabin.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-28-2005 02:31 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tom Burke:

Actually, if you work out 'like for like' (or as near as possible) it's interesting how close P&O prices and Olsen prices are, for the same cruise.


We have a lot of 'price fixing' here in the U.K. You will probably find that Saga, P&O, Fred Olsen and Cunard all have their fares pitched at a similar level.

Even the so called 'budget 'Airtours' used to offer prices not dissimilar to Fred Olsen. I bet Princess and Celebrity do not undercut the above with their ex-uk summer cruises, either.

Only Thomson and the non-trad cruises of Ocean Village and Island escape, RCI and sometimes NCL (Norwegian Dream) undercut the above, by a little.

There are no $299 cruises from the UK, unless it a 1-2 nighter, and most of them are £100 ($182) per day.

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Meldrew of the Seas
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posted 06-28-2005 08:22 AM      Profile for Meldrew of the Seas   Email Meldrew of the Seas   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oriana is ok, but she is a bit tired and worn in her cabins and public areas. When I travelled on her the crew seemed equally tired and worn out: everything was a bit of an effort.

Her newer "twin" Aurora is far superior. I travelled on Aurora just after her ill fated world cruise and the crew were as eager as if it was a maiden voyage. Cabins sparkling, public rooms likewise, and nothing was too much trouble.

Oceana has the nicest outdoor decks, a lovely split level pool area and a wonderful stern bar near a part covered pool and 3 jacuzzis. Cabins, especially inside, are a bit smaller on Oceana, though.

Don't bother with Arcadia: not a patch on the old one. All in shades of coffee, and the most pointless Atrium I have ever seen!


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mec1
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posted 06-28-2005 09:52 AM      Profile for mec1   Author's Homepage   Email mec1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Where did you travel on Aurora after her ill-fated world cruise? To the refit? I have sailed on Aurora twice - her interior layout is clumsy and congested and her deck space - particularly the Riviera Pool and the lack of forward facing decks - is pathetic. Oriana's crewq are fantastic and she has the highest renewing of contracts amongst staff in the fleet.
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posted 06-28-2005 05:21 PM      Profile for BigUFan   Author's Homepage   Email BigUFan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sounds like Carnival probably didn't want to spend the money to make Oceana consistent with the remainder of the P&O fleet. Of course if they did, you know what would have happened. Joe Farcus would have gotten a phone call, and if you think she's too glitzy now.....
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posted 06-28-2005 09:42 PM      Profile for cruiseshipluver   Author's Homepage   Email cruiseshipluver   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by BigUFan:
Sounds like Carnival probably didn't want to spend the money to make Oceana consistent with the remainder of the P&O fleet. Of course if they did, you know what would have happened. Joe Farcus would have gotten a phone call, and if you think she's too glitzy now.....

LOL
LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL, i couldnt agree with you more BigUFan... well said!
cruiseshipluver


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