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koch
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posted 08-31-2005 04:35 AM      Profile for koch   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
hello all
just a question to all of you - how important is a Balkony actually for our Cruise experiance onboard -
For my personal opinion its not this important since i dont spend much time in the cabin and defenitly not much time on the Balkony itself.
Many times you get only sun on the Balkony at odd times like early morning or late afternoons -
and second of all i think that the trend of having so many Balkonys on the new build cruise ships gives them kind of a look like a floating hotel block - it has defenitly destroyed the looks of many Cruise Ships
wondering what u guys think about this

regards

Koch

[ 08-31-2005: Message edited by: joe at travelpage ]


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Linerdan
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posted 08-31-2005 06:16 AM      Profile for Linerdan   Email Linerdan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree that as more balconies are jammed into every possible space on the upper decks , the ships do get more and more anti-ocean liner looking.
The designers do the best they can when approached by shipping firms ,to create more balcony suites and the process causes ships to become more square looking in appreance.

As Balconys bring in the (big) dollars for shipping firms................ there here to stay and be part of the modern look of vessels.

The classic looking liner we once knew , just no longer creates the revenue firms require now days to make a profit.


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Clad
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posted 08-31-2005 06:56 AM      Profile for Clad     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
All these balconies do not only lead to ugly looking blocks but also destroy social life.
It was really striking when we where on the QE2 a couple of weeks ago and passed one of these modern mega-ships in a Norwegian fjord.
On board of the QE2 almost everybody was out on deck, champagne was flowing and it was a very merry atmosphere. Meeting and greeting people. Talking to so far unknown fellow passengers. People sharing the experience.
What a difference on the other ship: Only very few people out on public decks. But rows and rows of balconies with lonely individuals or couples.

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Linerrich
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posted 08-31-2005 07:29 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The people who enjoy balcony cabins on cruises do not care what they look like from the outside! The look of a tropical resort hotel may be marred because of balconies, too, but that has no effect on their added value to the accommodations.

As a side note, one benefit to having a balcony, even if you're not going to be outside using it, is the additional light admitted into the cabin, giving it a sense of spaciousness. On most ships, balcony cabins have pretty much an entire wall of glass, which makes a huge difference from having a porthole or smallish, rectangular window. I sailed several times in the NORWAY's Sky Deck cabins, which, even though they did not have balconies, had a wall of glass, making the room seem huge and giving great views from wherever you were sitting.

Rich


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Ernst
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posted 08-31-2005 07:42 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
...and don`t forget that you can open the door to the balcony and get some fresh air from outside, whereas ouside cabins with a window that can be opened are very, very, very rare.
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Tom Burke
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posted 08-31-2005 08:47 AM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I tink the point about the 'big window' is very valid. But surely, in many parts of Europe, in many times of the year, opening the balcony door will result in a gale into the cabin? Even in the Med it can get pretty breezy, and in N Europe - Emglish Channel, North Sea, Irish sea, North Atlantic - it would be a real no-no.
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PamM
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posted 08-31-2005 09:28 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It is a bonus to have your own bit of deck space, when it is useable. Even in the Caribbean we found during the day in port, it was too hot & sticky to have the doors open, bugs too, and it was only of benefit in the evenings/night when underway. It's a great quick 'get outside' if you spot a ship passing too, but I can do without, and I think the main bonus is purely the wall of glass and additional light. There would be more light let in without balconies outside, so how about more of the higher up outside cabin just having glass.

One's own bit of deck, can also be noisier, smokier and contain more rubbish than on the main decks, depending on one's neighbours!! Each morning once, I had to kick back the ashtray, and roll the beer cans along

Pam


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Ernst
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posted 08-31-2005 10:41 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would also prefere cabins with a big window or a verandah - has anyone got informations why there are no cabins with windows which can be opened? I heard fire regulations are not allowing that. (why?)old thread

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Pascal
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posted 08-31-2005 01:17 PM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originaly posted by Ernst :
I would also prefere cabins with a big window or a verandah - has anyone got informations why there are no cabins with windows which can be opened? I heard fire regulations are not allowing that. (why?)old thread

I don't have any information about that but I try to imagine:
A balcony door is only opened when people go from the cabin to the balcony and "vice-versa"(is that understandable in English ?). It must represent only 2 or 3 minutes in an entire day. Of course you can block the door with a chair or something like that but most of people don't do that because it's not practical.
But what's the point of having a simple window if you can't keep it opened during long periods to breath the fresh air or to enjoy the view whithout being disturbed by a glass?

Just imagine someone who forget to close his cabin window and that a problem occur, a fire in the vicinity of the cabin for example. The fire will be feed by the fresh air entering through this window and will be much harder to extinguish.

And if it's a cabin in the lower decks gales may enter in the ship by rough seas. Don't forget that the Britannic would have certainly stay afloat after she was torpedoed if nurses in the lower decks hadn't forgotten to close the portholes before they were evacuated.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 08-31-2005 01:34 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Topic: Balkonys can we really spell them ?????

Many cruise passengers like them and they are willing to pay a premium for them. They generate extra income so they are here to stay.

[ 08-31-2005: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]


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Ernst
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posted 08-31-2005 01:39 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
All mentioned is also true for balcony doors. I don`t think that the doors are open for some minutes only.

The only problem I see is that there is no "barrier" to the cabin with all the furniture, carpetes etc. this would also be mantainance problem - more rain or spray would make it into the cabin - but then there are the Seabourn ships with these "french balconies" - is this just to go around regulations, which do not allow a window to be opened but a door?

And of course, windows which can be opened must not be in unsuitable positions.


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Pascal
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posted 08-31-2005 02:22 PM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I disagree with you Ernst: Balcony doors are aimed to be no more than a passage, they are designed to close automaticaly if you don't hold them, where as windows are not a passage, their point is to be opened and to stay opened. To my mind it's a big difference.

To return to the main topic, I think that balconies really ehance a cruise experience : having your breakfast in the fresh air when you approach the coast line without dressing,without climbing steps and taking corridors, after just having walked a few step to sit on a comfortable chair enjoying the view
is a unique sensation. I often wake up during the night : what a pleasure to go barefoot in underwear on your balcony. And in the day, you can enjoy both an outside space and your privacy...

My partner even don't want anything but a cabin with balcony for our next cruise.
To be honnest it bothers me because even if I would really love to have this kind of accomodation again (the last time we were upgraded), I wouldn't mind a simple inside cabin as I just want above all to cruise on a good ship (I know that a balcony doesn't make a cruise good or not and there are ships whithout balconies which really appeal to me).

And as of course balconies are about 50% more expensive than a standard inside cabin and as I'm not a rich man, I've to save € after € to please my partner... C'est la vie...


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Ernst
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posted 08-31-2005 02:30 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You could also built automatic closing windows - they would have a comparable probability to be closed in case of an emergency - if not better than a door. No doubt a bit more complicated and expensive than a door which is always closing itself.

The problem with balconies is: They spoil ships but it is nice to have one. I do not really "need" a balcony, but I always enjoyed having one - altough most are in fact poor quality opne deck space.


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Frosty 4
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posted 08-31-2005 05:06 PM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Having your own little deck space is nice when you go thru the Panama Canal, getting up close to a Glacier,etc without having to fight to get close to the rail for pictures. Sitting on your balcony in the warmer climates reading a book or having a beer(coke) with pizza while underway is great. It's also nice to see when morning comes.
F4

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Ernst
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posted 08-31-2005 05:11 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Obviously it is very important for many to have a balcony for a cruise where scenery is important - like the Panama canal or Alaska. For me the contrary is the case: I have not even been close to my cabin during the whole canal transit or when passing by some glaciers.
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Linerdan
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posted 08-31-2005 05:52 PM      Profile for Linerdan   Email Linerdan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If i recall correctly some of the German liners from the 1920-30's had bay windows on the upper decks for the cabins.You could see forward and aft as well as the normal straight out.They were not hugh , but appeared to let in lot more light and had a better view then offered by other liners at the time.
Linerdan .........

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Linerrich
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posted 08-31-2005 06:01 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Linerdan:
If i recall correctly some of the German liners from the 1920-30's had bay windows on the upper decks for the cabins.You could see forward and aft as well as the normal straight out.They were not hugh , but appeared to let in lot more light and had a better view then offered by other liners at the time.
Linerdan .........

The NORWEGIAN CROWN (ex.CROWN ODYSSEY) has quite a few staterooms with these bay windows, actually 3-sided. I sailed in one once, and it was almost like having a glass-enclosed balcony.

Rich


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bulbousbow
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posted 08-31-2005 10:15 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Ernst wrote:
Obviously it is very important for many to have a balcony for a cruise where scenery is important - like the Panama canal or Alaska. For me the contrary is the case: I have not even been close to my cabin during the whole canal transit or when passing by some glaciers.

Let me guess, you were either on a promenade deck or an upper deck with friends, or in an observation lounge. Who needs a balcony?

******

Cheers


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debm3553
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posted 09-01-2005 03:45 PM      Profile for debm3553   Email debm3553      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In December of 2003 we cruised on the Inspiration. I have a funny incident to tell but will give some background. Our first experience with a balcony came in December 2000 when we(my best friend and I) used a 25% discount from a bad experience on a previous cruise with a past guest discount to upgrade to a catgory 12 suite.

My husband had almost died from a rare autoimmune disease earlier in the year and was doing well so I talked to his doctor about going on a cruise. She said it was a great idea. So with my best friend we surprised him with the suite. He loved the balcony. So we have either had a suite or balcony cabin on almost every cruise we have been on since then. (if we get a great deal) He says he used to hand me his wallet and wave goodbye when I cruised with my best friend. Now he gets to go since he can no longer work. He'd rather be working but it's not a bad trade-off.

Now for the story. Here we are in our suite on the Inspiration(the three musketeers). My husband spent a lot time sitting out on the balcony and most of the time he fell asleep. If we couldn't find him we out to the balcony. He and I went to sleep in our beds one night and I woke up in the middle of the night to discover my husband was missing. I just figured he'd gone to the bathroom. I waited for quite awhile for him to come back to bed then I tried calling for him. No answer now I'm worried. I woke my friend up (I can't get out of those stupid beds without some assistance) and she goes to the bathroom door and no Joe. Now we are really worried. Where could he have gone? Then by chance she she spots his head sticking up in the chaise lounge on the balcony. He had gone out to the balcony in the middle of the night and had fallen asleep. He had a blanket and was just snoozing away. She woke him up and he came back back to bed. I told him not to ever do that again unless he woke me up and told me.(he hasn't)

The missing husband on the RCL ship reminded me of this story. It can be possible for a spouse to slip out of bed or the cabin without the other person knowing(In our case we had the beds separated for ease of getting me out of them). Fortunately, my husband was being an inconsiderate idiot by not letting me know he was going out on the balcony and not involved in some horrible incident. At least I missed him right away when I awoke. Ever since then I have warned him not to cross over the line of inconsideration. I also told him that I'll get a homing device for him if he ever does anything like that again. He says he's gotten the message. I think he has.


're really worried


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sunviking82
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I love em. Coffee in the morning watching the sun rise, an afternoon break from the crowds up top ( nap time!), sit before dinner or watch the stars after. They are worth it, and if I can't get one it's an inside cabin for we. A window to look at the ocean is not worth it.
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