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Matts
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posted 09-21-2005 07:59 AM      Profile for Matts     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So it is announced and its not the new Canberra but Ventura. From the POcruises website.
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P&O Cruises Orders the Largest Cruise Ship Built for Britain
We are delighted to announce that one of the two ships due for delivery from Italian shipbuilders Fincantieri in 2008 has been allocated to P&O Cruises. The new 116,000 tonne cruise ship, to be named Ventura, will be the largest ever built specifically for Britain and will carry 3,100 passengers and 1,200 officers and crew.

Commenting on the announcement, David Dingle, managing director of P&O Cruises said, “This new order acknowledges the unprecedented demand for the P&O Cruises brand and its increasingly wide appeal. Over the last 10 years P&O Cruises uniquely has introduced a progression of new ships purpose-built for Britain, which have created record levels of demand. Ventura, through her innovation, scale and contemporary appeal, marks the next major step forward for Britain’s leading cruise line, maintaining P&O Cruises’ position at the forefront of our industry.”

To meet the rapidly expanding demand for P&O Cruises, Ventura will feature an unprecedented range of passenger facilities including eight restaurants, six shops, five pools and three show lounges including the largest theatre on a British cruise ship. She will offer one of the largest spas afloat, and a unique family zone, which will bring together four extensive activity areas for different child age groups, a family bistro and two pools dedicated to parents and children. Of her 1,550 passenger cabins, almost 900 will feature a private balcony.

We look forward to bringing you a great deal more news as we go through the development and building of Ventura.


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Ernst
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posted 09-21-2005 08:07 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
...now who complained about Arcadia not being within the P&O naming scheme....
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Patsy
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posted 09-21-2005 08:44 AM      Profile for Patsy   Author's Homepage   Email Patsy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank goodness that quashes the Canberra rumours.

I was looking at the Bremerhaven cruise calls last night and reading the news part, it said about Ventura. I wondered what they were talking about since there was no ship called that. LOL! Still another clone though. So, any being got rid of or will P&O now be 6? And what about the Queen Victoria?


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posted 09-21-2005 08:52 AM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Patsy wrote:
...And what about the Queen Victoria?

She will be built and delivered to Cunard.

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Ernst
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posted 09-21-2005 08:54 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Queen Ventura sounds interesting.
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bulbousbow
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posted 09-21-2005 08:59 AM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Matts wrote:
So it is announced and its not the new Canberra...

Patsy wrote:
Thank goodness that quashes the Canberra rumours.


Who had started this (silly) rumour anyway? If P&O ever had intentions of another CANBERRA it would be on the lines of an AURORA or ORIANA, or an improvement of the two. That simple.

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quote:
Originally posted by bulbousbow:

Who had started this (silly) rumour anyway? If P&O ever had intentions of another CANBERRA it would be on the lines of an AURORA or ORIANA, or an improvement of the two. That simple.

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It doesn't seem like Carnival is too interested in any sisters to Aurora / Oriana ...


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Tom Burke
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posted 09-21-2005 11:45 AM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
It doesn't seem like Carnival is too interested in any sisters to Aurora / Oriana ...

They certainly don't look much like the direction where Carnival seems to want to go - lots of passengers, maximum flexibility on-board (no dinner sittings, for example), as many balcony cabins as possible. Oriana and Aurora are looking more & more like the odd ones out. Hmm - Canberra had a life of over 35 years; I think Oriana & Aurora will do well to reach half that. With P&O, at least.

I can see quite a few similarities, in concept at least, between Oriana/Aurora and Celebrity's Century class. They're about the same size, they have similar on-board arrangements, and the lead ship of the 'class' was smaller than the remainder. The difference in cabin types - many more balcony cabins in the Celebrity trio - can be explained by the different conditions in their respective primary markets. A balcony isn't much use when you're slogging up the English Channel in, say, March; whereas in the Carribean I can see its value all year round.


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Noordam
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posted 09-21-2005 11:49 AM      Profile for Noordam   Email Noordam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I doubt the Canberra name will ever return... And I was the person that communicated the rumor, as I had heard it.
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Patsy
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posted 09-21-2005 12:07 PM      Profile for Patsy   Author's Homepage   Email Patsy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My memory failed me and it was P&O MV Valentina (whatever the heck that is) mentioned on the Bremerhaven site. Still starts with a V and ends with an A though so that's my excuse. LOL!

I really do hope QV does actually get built. I hate these rumours. Do people start them for fun? That's not getting at you, Noordam, because you said yourself it was as you heard it. So someone before you must have thought it up. It might help if 1) Carnival got their fingers out with info and 2) it didn't keep being pushed back. I won't be at all surprised if the next delivery date is 2020! LOL!

Well, Canberra or not, we're still lumbered with a supermarket trolley which was the basis for one true rumour. In Carnival's hands any 'future' Canberra will be an ugly, cloned monstrosity.


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Johan
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posted 09-21-2005 12:12 PM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think with this name it is clear in which direction P&O will go. Carnival P&O will be in the same relation to the independent P&O, as Carnival Costa Crociere is to independent Costa Lines.

Traditions will exist, but hollowed out, more glitz, more ktitsch ("Ventura"...)and altogether succesfull, but not really "authentic", just a brand.

J


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Ernst
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posted 09-21-2005 01:13 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ventura is a name for a station wagon - a cheap one.
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Budgie
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posted 09-21-2005 01:36 PM      Profile for Budgie   Email Budgie   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What ever name P&O has selected for this new ship there would be someone who did not like it and as usual the 'shopping cart' comes up again. Why is it that silly tags tend to stick to what is an excellent ship design. Why is there a felt to be a need to put everything down. This is a great step forward for P&O, it shows that Carnival have faith in the P&O brand and are willing to back that up with hard cash. How many of P&O's recent ships have been new builds and how many have been relocated from other brands? The more new builds P&O get the better things will be. Trying to make another brands ship fit in does not work that well, far better to design the ship for a market, at least as far as the interior is concerned. If I could book on the ship now, I would.
Come on, we have to move with the times, if noit we stand still at best or worst go backwards. Freedom of the Seas is due to enter service shortly, Voyager is now sailing from Europe and all are large family ships P&O need this new ships to attract the family cruiser and to introduce cruising to a whole new generation.
Congratulations to Carnival and to P&O.

Budgie


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PamM
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posted 09-21-2005 01:38 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ventura??? highly imaginative, probably as far as any of the twits working in HO have travelled. Meaningless to P&O, the market she's aimed at or anything else imo. She might as well be transferred to Princess for ex LA sailings before being built and be done with it.

Pam


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PamM
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posted 09-21-2005 01:46 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The point is it's not P&O is it? Nothing wrong in a new large modern ship with all the mod cons for P&O, but there is [imo] when it's purely the same as other ships under the same hat, including a non P&O name. Why name her Ventura? Even Pompey would have been better.

Pam


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 09-21-2005 01:54 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So is it a Grand Class in disguise then? I do not mind the name. It is certainly better suited to the purpose than Canberra.

At least we will not have to worry about which cruise line to take in the future. All we will need to decide is if we cruise Vista Class or Grand Class.

At least NCL and RCI offer an alternative ship designs.


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posted 09-21-2005 01:56 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Chris:

It doesn't seem like Carnival is too interested in any sisters to Aurora / Oriana ...


They are one-offs. We will never see their likes again. Although some P&O fans disaproved at the time, they are rapidly becoming 'classics'.


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posted 09-21-2005 02:04 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Ventura" conjures up images of California, at least for Americans (who won't be passengers on this ship!) It's the name of a large city and famous freeway, among other things. Must be the Princess influence!

Rich

[ 09-21-2005: Message edited by: Linerrich ]


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posted 09-21-2005 02:08 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

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Ernst
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posted 09-21-2005 02:12 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Budgie:
[...] This is a great step forward for P&O, it shows that Carnival have faith in the P&O brand and are willing to back that up with hard cash.

They might have faith in the brand - but not enough to give it an own design.

[...]
How many of P&O's recent ships have been new builds and how many have been relocated from other brands? The more new builds P&O get the better things will be.

Out of five ships three were built for P&O during the last ten years (quite new for a ship) - two are unique designs for P&O and one is a modifed Vista class.

[...]
Trying to make another brands ship fit in does not work that well, far better to design the ship for a market, at least as far as the interior is concerned. .
[/QUOTE]

But this is just what is happening here! (and what happened with Arcadia) - this ship will be a modified version of a design which has been developed and "used" for another brand several times - the difference between moving an "old" ship to P&O and this case is only that this will be a new ship which will move to P&O immediately.

[...]
Come on, we have to move with the times, if noit we stand still at best or worst go backwards. Freedom of the Seas is due to enter service shortly, Voyager is now sailing from Europe and all are large family ships P&O need this new ships to attract the family cruiser and to introduce cruising to a whole new generation.
Budgie
[/QUOTE]

the contrary is the case. I guess most of us would welcome innovation - what I and others in this forum complain about is that there is no innovation, that an OLD design is reused again and again and that the same platform(s) are used for different brands. Nothing against a new, big P&O ship - but another Grand Class is a bit booring - and looking backwards.

[ 09-21-2005: Message edited by: Ernst ]


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Many of P&O's existing passengers (the socks and sandels brigade) are 'traditionalists'. I'm not sure they will take to Arcadia, let alone Ventura?
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posted 09-21-2005 02:50 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would have thought along those lines too Malcolm, but I was looking at Arcadia earlier and several of her cruises over the next few months are fully booked. However I still think Ventura should sail for Princess ex LA. I feel almost as if Carnival have decided Princess is "Grand Classed Out" and will dump her on P&O with a US name to boot.

Pam


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posted 09-21-2005 03:01 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
I would have thought along those lines too Malcolm, but I was looking at Arcadia earlier and several of her cruises over the next few months are fully booked.

Many members of the 'Ocean Liner Society' are P&O fans. They often try out the new P&O ships, only to claim they still prefer Aurora and Oriana!

P&O must have one hell of a fan club. I don't know why, they are certainly not cheap. Even Ernie Roller can't aafford them!


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posted 09-21-2005 03:05 PM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:
"Ventura" conjures up images of California, at least for Americans (who won't be passengers on this ship!) It's the name of a large city and famous freeway, among other things. Must be the Princess influence!

Don't forget about Jesse "The Body" Ventura. The former professional wrestler and governor of Minnesota. Maybe P&O will invite him to the naming ceremony.

Personally, I don't like the name. But that might just be my American cultural biases speaking. It might work nicely in the UK.

And, like many of you, I am just sick of Grand and Destiny class ships multipling all over the industry. Good grief, those designs go back a decade now. Please, Carnival Corp, use your massive cash reserves to pay for a few new designs!


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My rendition was similar to David's, but without so many modifications...


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