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OceanVoyager
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posted 03-27-2006 02:44 PM      Profile for OceanVoyager   Email OceanVoyager   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just read the following in tomorrows (28/3) Lloyds List:-

Princess to assess fallout from fire

Princess Cruises’ Star Princess arrived in Grand Bahama shipyard in Freeport yesterday for initial repair work following a fire last week in which one passenger died and a number of others were injured, writes Sandra Speares .

A spokesman for Princess said the decision whether to send the ship back to Italy for refurbishment at Fincantieri had not yet been taken.

Unofficial sources said damage to the ship could be as high as $50m. Claims for compensation following the death of one passenger from a heart attack and injuries to a further 11 people will also be a consideration.

The extent of damage to the ship was still being assessed, the spokesman said.

Following a preliminary safety assessment over the weekend, the company said it was cancelling a further cruise due to leave Fort Lauderdale on April 2. While the formal investigation into the accident is being carried out by the vessel’s flag state the Bahamas, a team from the UK Marine Accident Investigation Branch is providing assistance and the US Coast Guard has launched its own investigation.

Cruise passengers booked on the next sailings are being offered full refunds and cruise credits on a future voyage.

Rgds,
Andrew


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Pascal
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posted 03-28-2006 04:10 AM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Obviously, Star Princess is in a quite bad shape.
Many cabins certainly have to be replaced and it involves rebuilding all systems in entire areas of the ship (air conditionning, water, electrics...)
If the repairs had to be done on the american continent, the new cabins would have to be shipped from Italy and I'm not sure if yards as Grand Bahama has enough skills to do efficiently (and quickly) the job. It may save time and money to send the ship back in Europe to have the operation made in the most suitable yard for such extensive repairs.

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PeterUK
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posted 03-28-2006 08:20 AM      Profile for PeterUK   Email PeterUK   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If the Lloyds List article is right about the amount of damage then she won't be sailing again soon and they will need to cancel more cruises than Princess has done so far.

Sending Star to Europe for repairs makes additional sense as she is spending the summer on Baltic Cruises.


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r.fiebig
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posted 03-28-2006 10:32 AM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello everybody,

"Star Princess" will be repaired at Lloyd Werft shipyard in Bremerhaven, Germany, prior to resuming service on May 15th.


Best,

Raoul


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J.S.S.Normandie
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posted 03-28-2006 11:02 AM      Profile for J.S.S.Normandie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A little over a month? That doesn't inspire much confidence to the quality ot the work.
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timb
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posted 03-28-2006 12:13 PM      Profile for timb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by J.S.S.Normandie:
A little over a month? That doesn't inspire much confidence to the quality ot the work.


No offense but what makes you qualifed to make that assesment. It may be inconcievable to you but that doesn't make it impossible


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joe at travelpage
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posted 03-28-2006 12:21 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by r.fiebig:
Hello everybody,

"Star Princess" will be repaired at Lloyd Werft shipyard in Bremerhaven, Germany, prior to resuming service on May 15th.

Best,

Raoul


I think that's an optimistic schedule by Princess and I personally think the repairs will take longer. She won't leave the Bahamas until the end of the week so she won't get to Germany until the first week in April. That will leave about 5 weeks to do the work.

I would not be surprised to get an update after the ship arrives at Lloyd Werft saying that after further analysis the repairs will take longer.

It also sounds like they are just going to attempt to repair the damage and not do anything to prevent a repeat performance. That would imply that everything "worked as designed" including fire suppression systems and balcony design. If that is the case, I would hate to see what they consider a design failure.

Joe at TravelPage.com


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J.S.S.Normandie
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posted 03-28-2006 01:01 PM      Profile for J.S.S.Normandie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by timb:


No offense but what makes you qualifed to make that assesment. It may be inconcievable to you but that doesn't make it impossible


None taken. I just think that they're going to patch her up so she's ready to make more money again. The should replace most of the balconies on that side of the ship, the stuctural integrity could be compromised from the heat. The cabins in and around the fire should be replaced. The entire ship and ventillation systems cleaned to remove smoke. New electrical wireing throught that side of the ship, if any of the casings melted, or any unseen problem those damaged wires could easily start a fire. New fire safety precautions installed, including a better sprinkler system. And of course she's going to need repainting. I just don't see how they can do a good job of that in a month. Perhaps they can, but I think they're going to cut corners and not do it all.( I'm sure ther's stuff I'm not listing.)


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Ernst
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posted 03-28-2006 01:08 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why not in a month? More extensive refits have been done in a shorter time - they had of course more time to prepare everything. On the other hand they do not have to do everything aboard Star Princess immediately - nobody will notice if some cabins are not ready.

I doubt that they will come up with new saftey systems like sprinklers on balconies during this refit. Personally, I think they have to revise their safety concepts - but on the other hand this has to be done carefully. Also, not only Star Princess would need such a refit.


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Caronia II
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posted 03-28-2006 01:39 PM      Profile for Caronia II     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Folks are forgetting that passenger ships are built like Lego these days... Cabins on modern ships are all modular. Princess has probably already shipped the plans of the cabins and balconies to Lloyd Werft in order to get a bid and time frame promise. If they've already awarded the work, that means that Lloyd Werft is sure they can effect the repairs on time. They are NOT in the business of LOSING money on an opportunity like this.

While not purely simple and easy, I'm sure they are already in the process of fabricating new cabin modules and replacement furniture for the effected areas. As long as there is not extensive structural damage, it's possible they could cut out the outer bulkheads, slide out the old cabins and slide in new ones the next day after a little cleanup by the night crew. Remember, in this sort of case, they will work 3 shifts and likely just plug in any new cabins faster than repairing existing ones. Hook up the ducting and wiring and after welding them in, attach the newly fabricated baclonies.

In all likelihood, any necessary fine tuing will be done at sea following the refloat and during the first few voyages of her European schedule. It's hardly an impossible task.


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posted 03-28-2006 04:06 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:

...I doubt that they will come up with new saftey systems like sprinklers on balconies during this refit. Personally, I think they have to revise their safety concepts - but on the other hand this has to be done carefully. Also, not only Star Princess would need such a refit.

I agree.

I believe that this incident will eventually result in new safety requirements for ships with balconies in general.

As for the schedule, I've just seen this before. Initial estimates are often unrealistic and events transpire to cause delays.

Recent examples where the initial dates were missed: Celebrity Millennium (shipyard finances), Pride of America (unrealistic damage assessment), Sapphire / Diamond (unrealistic damage assessment).

On top of all this, just enough time has passed for the lawyers to get their paperwork ready for filing.

Who knows, if the heart attack victims death can be tied directly to the fire, whomever started the fire might be guilty of a serious crime. Then the ship becomes a crime scene. Where have I heard that before?

Luckily for the cruise lines, jurisdiction in these matters is a bit murky so they can usually proceed with the business of making money without having to subject themselves to the pesky details of a formal investigation...

Joe at TravelPage.com


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 03-28-2006 05:33 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm amazed that everyone says it was caused by a cigarette – even if it was. How do they know? Did they see someone drop one and a fire start, I think not. Surely such a fire requires a full investigation to ascertain the cause.

It’s easy to blame a smoker because they are often are responsible for fires. However so is electrical wiring.

The easiest thing for cruise lines is revise their rules about smoking in cabins and on balconies. After all this is relatively cheap to do.


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Ernst
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posted 03-28-2006 05:44 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As you said, this is just an assumption - nothing more. Nevertheless, a cigarette can in principle cause such a fire.
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posted 03-28-2006 07:13 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Malcolm wrote:
...The easiest thing for cruise lines is revise their rules about smoking in cabins and on balconies...

And also on open decks.

It is possible that an inconsiderate or drunk smoker on an upstairs open deck could have easily flicked a smouldering butt overboard onto a balcony below. The wind could have drawn it to the balcony onto a cushion or even into an open stateroom. My point of view, and I think many here will agree, is that smoking should be banned on a ship regardless of where it is.

******

Cheers


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posted 03-28-2006 07:29 PM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Confirming what r.fiebig wrote...

STAR PRINCESS To Germany For Repairs

March 28: Princess announced that the damage assessment for STAR PRINCESS following last week's fire has been completed. STAR PRINCESS will sail this week, from Grand Bahama Shipyard in Freeport, The Bahamas, where she was being inspected, to Lloyd Werft shipyard in Bremerhaven, Germany for repairs of the damaged cabins and balconies.

The ship will be taken out of service until she begins her planned European cruise season, sailing from Copenhagen May 15.

[ 03-28-2006: Message edited by: dmwnc1 ]


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 03-28-2006 07:46 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As per Ernst, not all of the cabins would need to be ready for her to resume her cruise schedule. Some cleaning, exterior painting and steel/aluminum work could be done first and later the installation of the replacement pre-fab cabins could take place. I think a six weeks is wishful thinking but if the shipyard is on a 24/7 schedule it could happen. Since these ships are literally mass produced and nearly all the interiors sections are pre-fabricated, a big delay could be getting the parts from the suppliers.
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posted 03-29-2006 12:10 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bear in mind the Emerald Princess is currently under construction and the Crown is near complete, it is entirely possible that there are already cabins in existance that could easily be shipped from Italy to Germany within a couple of days in order that they can be slotted into the Star, the cabins on all 3 are identical.
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posted 03-29-2006 12:31 AM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by mike sa:
Bear in mind the Emerald Princess is currently under construction and the Crown is near complete, it is entirely possible that there are already cabins in existance that could easily be shipped from Italy to Germany within a couple of days in order that they can be slotted into the Star, the cabins on all 3 are identical.
This would make sense! Ship the parts necessary from EMERALD PRINCESS and use it on the STAR PRINCESS!

Six weeks seems a reasonable time to repair, but if they need to rebuild the part that got burnt, wouldn't this mean taking apart the top decks above the affected section?


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