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OceanVoyager
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posted 03-30-2006 01:30 PM      Profile for OceanVoyager   Email OceanVoyager   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well it had to happen didn't it, P&O having some sort of drama on one of the World Cruises!

Anyway, thanks to an outstanding debt owed by the QE2 back in 2004, the Captain had to get his wallet out.

Here is the article which will be in tomorrows Lloyds List:-

Oriana arrested in Durban

P&O Cruises Oriana was reported to have been arrested in Durban this morning over an outstanding debt incurred by Cunard's QE2.

A spokeswoman for Carnival said today: We can confirm that a debt was paid by the Captain of Oriana on behalf of another Carnival UK ship.

According to South African based company Port Marine the QE2's debt dated back to April 2004. The company said it had repeatedly requested payment which was not forthcoming and had warned Carnival that under South African Law it was possible to attach an associated vessel our request for payment was ignored.

Port Marine says that it warned the cruise company that the ship was liable to be arrested when it arrived in Durban and this was also ignored.

The vessel was released after a payment in cash by the captain.

Be interested to know how much was owed!
Andrew


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Johan
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posted 03-30-2006 02:04 PM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It is the 'sistership clause' (article 3, Treaty of Brussels, 10/5/1952).
With 79 ships in its belt, Carnival has a lot of 'sisterships' (but perhaps Carnival UK is separate from Carnival USA)

Good old maritime law is applicable to sophisticated cruise ships

J

[ 03-30-2006: Message edited by: Johan ]


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J.S.S.Normandie
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posted 03-30-2006 02:43 PM      Profile for J.S.S.Normandie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why did the QE2 owe money?
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Waynaro
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posted 03-30-2006 03:03 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Looks like the top executives at Carnival owe the captain of the ORIANA big time. I am sure the captain will feel embarassed!
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Maasdam
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posted 03-30-2006 04:31 PM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by J.S.S.Normandie:
Why did the QE2 owe money?

Simply the don't pay the bill.

Ben.


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Maasdam
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posted 03-30-2006 04:33 PM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The captain usse an companny creditcard ore cash. To pay. I cane understand that the Captain have some questions fore Carnival management why they don't pay this bill. I would be verry angry if i was the captain.

Greetings Ben.


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philcheese2001
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posted 03-30-2006 04:53 PM      Profile for philcheese2001   Email philcheese2001   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maasdam,
Bull***t, why should the Captain be angry over such a trifling matter for which instant reimbursement would be made by Carnival.Get real.
Phil.

[ 03-30-2006: Message edited by: joe at travelpage ]


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Ernst
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posted 03-30-2006 04:58 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I assume this was more a formality caused by an embarrasing posting error.
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J.S.S.Normandie
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posted 03-30-2006 05:01 PM      Profile for J.S.S.Normandie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Maasdam:

Simply the don't pay the bill.

Ben.


What bill? A docking fee?


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PamM
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posted 03-30-2006 05:03 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I shouldn't think the Capt. was either angry or embarrassed but just handed over a company card to pay.. assuming it wasn't some 6 digit sum.. but to arrest the vessel it must have been more than one would carry around in one's pocket.

Just seems a pretty poor show on Carnival's part to let things get so far and to ignore the warning of impending arrest given. We don't know the details, amounts or reason for the debt.. it may even be a dispute, but if so then Carnival would have been in contact rather than ignoring matters. Bills may get overlooked from time to time, odd cheques may go astray, money in wrong accounts to meet payments and so on - lax employees dealing with these mundane tasks.. but seems odd something would drag on for 2 years in this manner. Must be a lot more behind the 'story'.

Pam

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OceanVoyager
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posted 03-30-2006 05:11 PM      Profile for OceanVoyager   Email OceanVoyager   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here are a few more details I've just received:-

"P&O Cruises’ Oriana was arrested in Durban yesterday over an outstanding debt incurred by Cunard’s Queen Elizabeth 2 , writes Sandra Speares.

A spokeswoman for parent Carnival said: “We can confirm a debt was paid by the captain of Oriana on behalf of another Carnival UK ship.”

According to South African- based company Electro Marine, the QE2’s debt dated back to April 2004 and related to repairs to the ship. The company said it had repeatedly requested payment, which was not forthcoming, and had warned Cunard that under South African law it was possible to attach an associated vessel. “Our request for payment was ignored,” a spokesman for the company said.

The sum involved is understood to have been less than $10,000."

Seems a bit naughty that the bill wasn't paid, but there's always two sides to every story!

Perhaps the Captain of Oriana should arrest the QE2 next time they are in Southampton together so he can get his money back!!

Andrew


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Brian_O
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posted 03-30-2006 05:43 PM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I guess the folks in Durban couldn't wait until April 2007 when QE2 makes her first visit since 2004.

Brian


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Maasdam
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posted 03-30-2006 05:46 PM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by philcheese2001:
Maasdam,
Bull***t, why should the Captain be angry over such a trifling matter for which instant reimbursement would be made by Carnival.Get real.
Phil.

[ 03-30-2006: Message edited by: joe at travelpage ]


Thanks Joe.

Phil maybe next time just an simple remark without haevywords.

Ben.

[ 03-30-2006: Message edited by: Maasdam ]


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PamM
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posted 03-30-2006 05:50 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by OceanVoyager:
Perhaps the Captain of Oriana should arrest the QE2 next time they are in Southampton together so he can get his money back!!

Where can I get an application form for the job of 'Prison Warder'?

Brian, waiting until 2007 may have been a bonus, adding on all the extra interest charges, court & lawyers fees etc but I expect working capital is more beneficial to the creditor. There must be another side as to why this bill hasn't been paid.. most 'odd'.

Pam


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dmwnc1
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posted 03-30-2006 07:14 PM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by philcheese2001:
Maasdam,
Bull***t, why should the Captain be angry over such a trifling matter for which instant reimbursement would be made by Carnival.Get real.
Phil.

[ 03-30-2006: Message edited by: joe at 's travelpage ]


Kind of like being arrested for your sister stealing then running a stop light...you know she's going to pay you back however it was not your fault, it's embarrasing, and inconveniences you.

Whether he was mad or not we may never know, but we do know your use of that kind of language is inappropriate here.

[ 03-30-2006: Message edited by: dmwnc1 ]


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bmajor
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posted 03-30-2006 10:56 PM      Profile for bmajor   Email bmajor   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Johan:
Good old maritime law is applicable to sophisticated cruise ships


I wonder if they posted the arrest warrant on the mast?


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Waynaro
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posted 03-30-2006 11:15 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by bmajor:
I wonder if they posted the arrest warrant on the mast?
Good idea, but I think making an enlargement copy of the arrest warrant and slap it to the side of the hull of the QE2 as "hull art"

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Globaliser
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posted 03-31-2006 03:15 AM      Profile for Globaliser     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by OceanVoyager:
Seems a bit naughty that the bill wasn't paid, but there's always two sides to every story!
Of this I'm sure. I wonder whether we will ever find out the other side to it?
quote:
Originally posted by bmajor:
I wonder if they posted the arrest warrant on the mast?
It's supposed to be nailed to the mast, isn't it?

I had an entertaining conversation with an aviation lawyer once, who told me that a similar process is still used to arrest aircraft. However, they usually regard nailing the writ to the aircraft as capable of causing some dangerous damage, so it's back to good old Sellotape.


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bmajor
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posted 03-31-2006 03:34 AM      Profile for bmajor   Email bmajor   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Globaliser:
It's supposed to be nailed to the mast, isn't it?

Yes,but there are not too many wooden masts around these days.

I am wondering if it still happens.A few years ago I recall wandering around a Marina,(before the days of tight security) and noticing a craft for sale with a notice on its mast from a bank making it very clear to prospective purchasers that debts had to be cleared before a sale could take place.


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mike sa
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posted 03-31-2006 08:55 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can confirm the above story, I was most amused, unfortunately could not get access dockside because of security, arresting ships in Durban is quite common - often the only way to get the cash and it invloves issuing a ticket which is attahced to the gangway - I wanted a photo but it was not possible.
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J.S.S.Normandie
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posted 03-31-2006 09:40 AM      Profile for J.S.S.Normandie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Waynaro:
Good idea, but I think making an enlargement copy of the arrest warrant and slap it to the side of the hull of the QE2 as "hull art"

Call NCL !!!


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PamM
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posted 04-01-2006 06:25 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by mike sa:
I wanted a photo but it was not possible.

A shame that... would certainly have been one for the archives!! Has anyone ever seen an actual picture of the 'Parking Ticket' slapped on Caribia in New York?

Pam


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Jonathan
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Its not like they can impound a ship lol they should have just left.


Jonathan


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