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Topic: Radiance of the Seas

Stevie2020
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Member # 4901

posted 05-01-2006 12:45 PM

Just recently I have noticed how good the Radiance class ships look. They look well proportioned and are not too big or small.

I have also noticed that they only have glass elevators on one side of the ship. This was at first confusing when some pictures have the glass walls and some don't

I'm sure you knew this before.

Why has the radiance class ships got glass elevators on one side of the ship only? I prefere the look of the glass walls

Steve

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-01-2006 04:03 PM

The 'Radiance' calss probably have more glass, and hence sea-views, than any other big ship I have been on. Their 'conection with the sea' is better than some ships a third of their size. In fact the 'Votager' calls are quite different and are kind of inward focused, with the Royal Prom which has no natural light or views.

The Radience are a very nice vessels. It's a pity that they have stopped building them. I like tio se the design some who combined with the Voyager - taking the best of both.

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Carlos Fernandez
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posted 05-01-2006 06:54 PM

Radiance Class ships have been the largest cruise ships ever built in Germany, and were designed with a yacht-like profile, they are my favorite ships due to their high amount of glass and of course the design.

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Ernst
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posted 05-01-2006 07:01 PM

I also like the Radiance class. I have not yet travelled with one of them but I am looking forward to hear from friends who will be aboard a Radiance class vessel this year.

Actually, I told them to choose a Radiance Class for their first cruise - but they didn't listen....I hope they feel bad after their Radiance class cruise.

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recab
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Member # 1677

posted 05-02-2006 02:37 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Carlos Fernandez:
[QB]Radiance Class ships have been the largest cruise ships ever built in Germany, ...QB]

Not that it matters, but NCL´s Norwegian Dawn, Jewel and Star and Pride of Hawaii are bigger than the Radiance class vessels and were also built by JLM in Papenburg.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-02-2006 03:53 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:
Actually, I told them to choose a Radiance Class for their first cruise - but they didn't listen....

What did they choose?

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Ernst
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Member # 5369

posted 05-02-2006 09:46 AM

Carnival Destiny
Mariner or Navigator of the Seas
Infinity

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6263866
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Member # 5115

posted 05-02-2006 10:47 AM

Yes I agree, the Radiance class is beautiful, good for any region of the world, and especially Alaska, a ship that has 99% less pollution than conventional deisel ships. That is one of very few classes of ships that don't have the ugly boxy profile.

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J.S.S.Normandie
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Member # 6253

posted 05-02-2006 11:00 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:
Carnival Destiny
Mariner or Navigator of the Seas
Infinity

Infinity, well she's a nice looking ship.

But Carnival Destiny?!?!?!?!

The Radience class isn't bad, I mean it's an improvement, but I like Celebrity's Millenium Class better. Athough why they picked that paint theme is beyond me.....

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Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 05-02-2006 11:06 AM

quote:
Originally posted by J.S.S.Normandie:
Infinity, well she's a nice looking ship.
But Carnival Destiny?!?!?!?!

[...]

Don't tell me tell them.... (finally you did as they will read this ) It seems as if liked the Infinity (you did, didn't you?) - but I guess the Radiance class is just the perfect ship for them. (they told me that they finally prefered RCCL - if they didn't lie to me )

Ruth, don't be too upset.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-02-2006 01:38 PM

quote:
Originally posted by J.S.S.Normandie:
The Radience class isn't bad, I mean it's an improvement, but I like Celebrity's Millenium Class better.

Both ships are of course built on the same hull design, but with very different decor and public spaces etc. A different class too.

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Ernst
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posted 05-02-2006 01:56 PM

'Same hull" is maybe going a bit too far. Some aspects of these two designs are very similar - e.g. they have a very, very similar (the same?) gas turbine plant - but e.g. the pods are from different companies. So it's not just the 'superstructure' which is different.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-02-2006 02:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:
So it's not just the 'superstructure' which is different.

No, just the 'hulls'.

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Ernst
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posted 05-02-2006 02:12 PM

They are very similar but I would still expect enough differences to call the different.

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J.S.S.Normandie
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posted 05-02-2006 02:17 PM

Ok, sure Malcolm....

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-02-2006 02:37 PM

quote:
Originally posted by J.S.S.Normandie:
[IMG]Ok, sure Malcolm....

I appreciate that both these 90,000 tonners look very different, but I told that their hulls are esentially of the same design!!!

RCI, like Carnival's Vista dsign, can fool most of the people, most of the time!

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Stevie2020
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posted 05-02-2006 03:41 PM

I can see a small similarity, Radiance of the seas is more rounded and sleek tho.

Steve

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Carlos Fernandez
First Class Passenger
Member # 6432

posted 05-02-2006 06:45 PM

All these ships where built to cross the Panama canal, the dimensions and weigh are almost the same (I was mistaken when I said they where the largest built in Germany, I thought that NCL's Dawn class was 88,000 GRT's). Both Radince class ships and Millenium class' hulls are way different, Millenium's is 3 feet longer; a good similarity is that both use Gas Turbines. Other ships with almost the same dimensions are Carnival-Costa's Pana-Max class, HAL's Vista Class and NCL's Dawn class, the largest being this one, all circle the 90,000 GRT range, 960' in lenght and 106' beam. (Thanks for correcting me Recab.)

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Carlos Fernandez
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posted 05-02-2006 06:47 PM

Oh, I almost forgot, Disney ships are in this range too.

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Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 05-02-2006 06:52 PM

I see a reason to have commonalities within the fleet - like the same engines (spare parts - crew training - purchase price etc.) - also not every design is starting form scratch - but this are different ships and optimizing the hull shape is not that expensive. Also, I am sure that the different approach of the yards manifest itself in the one or the other detail - even if the overall layout is very similar and some parts are in common.

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Carlos Fernandez
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Member # 6432

posted 05-03-2006 11:35 AM

The Meyer-Werft wesite is very reliable unlike Fincantieri's. Here you can find good information and many picture on the Radiance-class.

Radiance-class Info

Radiance-class PDF

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desirod7
First Class Passenger
Member # 1626

posted 05-03-2006 11:46 AM

The entire Radiance and Millenium class are built to World Cruise sea keeping standards.
Compared to the Voyager, the bow is a bit more tapered, and the structure more robust. It aint a classic liner, but better than the typical 80's 90's boxboat. Later Voyager ships are built better than the '90's versions.

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Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 05-03-2006 01:07 PM

Every ship is built for a certain purpose/itinerary - but I would not call that standard. (there are some regulations having a term called worldwide - but all cruise ships are certified for worldwide operation)

Also, the stability of modern ships is 'better' that the stabilty of old liners - tough they might be (or are) less comfortable.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-03-2006 01:13 PM

quote:
Originally posted by desirod7:
Later Voyager ships are built better than the '90's versions.

Are you saying that they have different hulls?

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desirod7
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posted 05-03-2006 01:31 PM

Malcolm, the latter ones have more bracing, yet the outer form is the same. I believe the connection of the superstructure to hull is advanced so it is less likely to crack in rough seas.

At the Sea Trade Fincaniteri booth you could look at a Vista hull and a Destiny model side by side and one can see the Vista which is also world cruising has a longer and sharper bow, and more sophisticated stern form than the blue water Destiny. The new Destiny ships also are more robust than the originals.

The Kvaerner booth had Radiance and Voyager side by side: ditto

PS: Old design Granduer of the Seas had serious superstructure cracks in hurricane George.

PSS: The 90's design Regatta took a bad beating in a Force 6 storm that the QE2 or Topaz would laugh at.

Ernst, I get my info from the reps at the shipyard and the certification bureau booths at Sea Trade. The standards are also in place to reduce expensive ship damage during the storms.

Quoting cruisetalker Gohaze, old liners had a broad range of stability since at the beginning of a voyage, the ship was loaded with fuel and water, by the end was dry, and more tender. Modern ships use 1/10 the fuel and make their own water, so they can be optimally trimmed 24/7.

quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
Are you saying that they have different hulls?

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