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bulbousbow
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posted 05-15-2006 11:05 AM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Tandem transatlantic crossing planned for Queen Victoria and QE2
May 15, 2006

Cunard's new liner Queen Victoria, delivering next December, will embark on her 106-night maiden World Cruise out of Southampton on the same day in January 2008 as QE2 leaves for a 103-night 'South America, Pacific and Orient Odyssey' voyage.

Both ships will leave Southampton on Sunday January 6, 2008, but follow very different routes. The two will head for New York on the first-ever tandem westbound Transatlantic crossing. QE2, making her 804th Atlantic crossing, will escort Queen Victoria, making her first, with both arriving in New York a week later. They then continue together, reaching Fort Lauderdale two days later. From there the ships will take different courses before a further 'Meeting of the Queens' in Sydney on February 24.

Queen Victoria will circumnavigate the globe in a westbound direction and, after calling at New York, will transit the Panama Canal before making maiden calls at some of the world's most famous cities including Los Angeles, Auckland, Sydney, Bangkok, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Mumbai, Dubai, Athens and Barcelona. Queen Victoria will also transit the Suez Canal, before returning to her homeport of Southampton on April 22.

For the first time in over a decade, QE2 will concentrate on South America and the Pacific in a 103-night voyage in winter 2008 that will call at 30 places in 17 countries. After leaving New York QE2 will head around South America calling at Rio de Janeiro, Montevideo, the Falkland Islands and Valparaiso. Cruising into the Pacific she will then circle the world's largest ocean before arriving at Los Angeles on 30 March. After transiting the Panama Canal QE2 will return home to Southampton on April 18.

The voyages go on sale from June 5, 2006 and savings of up to 50% (QE2) and up to 45% (Queen Victoria) are available for bookings made by end January 2007, subject to availability. Some selected shorter liner sailings (from 35 nights to 64 nights) are available on both vessels' itineraries.

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Andy
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posted 05-15-2006 11:49 AM      Profile for Andy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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... QE2, making her 804th Atlantic crossing, will escort Queen Victoria, making her first, with both arriving in New York a week later...


So QE2 will travel at a much slower speed in order to keep herself in tandem with the much much much slower Queen Victoria .

[ 05-15-2006: Message edited by: Gundam X ]


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Ernst
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posted 05-15-2006 12:04 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
QE2 has of course a much higher maximum speed - but the maximum speed of the HAL Vista class ship is actually 24 knots - not too far away form the service speed of QE2. So under IDEAL conditions QV should be able to go at full speed being only slightly slower than QE2 would be on a normal crossing. Nevertheless, there is of course a good chance for bad weather in January.
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Patsy
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posted 05-15-2006 12:18 PM      Profile for Patsy   Author's Homepage   Email Patsy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I do hope this isn't a last hurrah for Lizzie. Sort of, show off the clone, farewell to the great.
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Cambodge
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posted 05-15-2006 02:13 PM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm alredy booked on QE2 for that crossing. Back-to-back with her Christmas Cruise.

Ooops..I stand corrected I am booked on QE2's Jan 2007 crossing, not 2008! How time flies when your'e having fun.

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Patsy
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posted 05-15-2006 03:05 PM      Profile for Patsy   Author's Homepage   Email Patsy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Cunard site has more info. Well that's the first marina trip for 2008 and we still haven't got a complete 2007 list of calls yet. My dad's in shock. LOL!
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-15-2006 04:17 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Patsy:
I do hope this isn't a last hurrah for Lizzie. Sort of, show off the clone, farewell to the great.

You may not be far wrong!


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KenC
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posted 05-15-2006 06:13 PM      Profile for KenC   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Patsy:
I do hope this isn't a last hurrah for Lizzie. Sort of, show off the clone, farewell to the great.

No, it's more like 'The Queen is dead, long live the Queen!!!'


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-16-2006 03:31 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When was the last time Cunard had a three ship fleet?
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Colin
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posted 05-16-2006 03:49 AM      Profile for Colin   Email Colin   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nov 2004. QM2, QE2, Caronia
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Pascal
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posted 05-16-2006 04:22 AM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Do you think it's a good idea to make a Vista cross the Northern Atlantic in winter ? Those ships are not liners, and there is a huge probability QV may encounter a massive storm. I know Vistas were designed for world cruising, and that safety on these new ships is at an excellent level... But they aren't liners (despite what Carnival may say) and a winter transatlantic crossing is precisely what the liners are made to handle. A six days in a row storm may be a true nightmare for QV passengers, where as it would be OK on QE2 or QM2.

And so it's the end for QE2 traditionnal world cruise...


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posted 05-16-2006 07:28 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Pascal:
[QB]Do you think it's a good idea to make a Vista cross the Northern Atlantic in winter ? Those ships are not liners, and there is a huge probability QV may encounter a massive storm.

QB]


Maybe that's why QE2 is escorting her across!

Rich


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-16-2006 07:34 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Pascal:
[QB]Do you think it's a good idea to make a Vista cross the Northern Atlantic in winter ? QB]

I assume like all cruise ships QV will take a more shelterd route rather than going staright across the pond to NY as 'real' Ocean Liners can and 'fake' ones can't. .


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NAL
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posted 05-16-2006 07:50 AM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pascal.......not to worry. QE2 can always stand by the collect the survivors!
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NAL
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posted 05-16-2006 07:56 AM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think they will actually use a more southerly route and take a more leisurely speed if the seas are heavy. I am sure QV will be able to handle all that this crossing can give out with minor damages at the most.
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Patsy
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posted 05-16-2006 01:34 PM      Profile for Patsy   Author's Homepage   Email Patsy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ken, don't you mean, 'The Queen is Dead, Long Live the Sudnooroostwestvicadiadam'?

They are making such a big deal of 3 Queens and yet there's all this publicity about Mary's first world cruise and meeting up with Lizzie a few times. Yet it took 4 years for her to get one. Vicky gets it immediately. Then there's the option to change ships in Sydney. Maybe it's the cynic in me after Norway but I have wondered if that was a ploy to get people to fall for the clone's interiors and abandon Lizzie, giving them the prefect excuse to withdraw her in 2009.


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Pascal
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posted 05-16-2006 02:20 PM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Did you notice there are talking about a crossing which will last "a week" instead of the usual Cunard 6 days trip. NAL must be right, this extra day will afford them to take a much more southern course.
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PamM
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posted 05-16-2006 02:38 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Does QV really need 7 nights? or are they playing safe to make sure she arrives on time for 'festivities'?

Pam


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Pascal
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There's about 3050 nautical miles between Southampton and New York (the shortest route). So, knowing that New York is GMT-5, QV would need to handle an average speed of about 23knts (close to her maximum) to be on time.
But of course there is the winter weather issue (which isn't a problem for QE2 and QM2 which are faster and built for this). I think that's why they gave her this 7th day if it occurs she has to slow down in a storm or to set a longer southern course.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-16-2006 06:14 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
Does QV really need 7 nights? or are they playing safe to make sure she arrives on time for 'festivities'?


Longer route plus a margin for rough sea condirions.


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posted 05-16-2006 06:29 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well we had a 6 night schedule on Norwegian Dawn in Dec 2002; Southern route, hit some heavy seas and arrived on time. She does 24kts.. so it puts QV in a not so good light if she can't make a 6 night crossing imo.

Pam


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posted 05-16-2006 09:38 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have not seen the schedule - but I guess they want to play it safe.

BTW: Even QM2 or QE2 will try to aviod a storm if possible - the idea behind the extra speed is to be able do that without being late.

Patsy, I do not understand why you are so upset. Cunard has a new ship - and they want to introduce it. It would be silly to have the well established QE2 competing against her. (BTW: I find a cruise around South America more interesting than a world cruise) QE2 has been pulled out of the Atlantic service for mor or less the same reason. Also, do not forget that QE2 will be retired - she is just having a very smooth farwell. (which is nice) - time to get more seriouse about keeping her in Southampton as hotel - if you want that.


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Pascal
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Now I've just read on a French site that QE2 and QV would leave Southampton and reach NY "5 days later"... I'm completely lost...

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Ernst, you wouldn't. Like Canberra, Lizzie's been part of my life ever since we moved here in 1972. You get attached to these metal monsters when you see them all the time. Also her cruising life began the year I was born so I feel a close affinity. I know it is inevitable Lizzie will be withdrawn at some stage. Whether or not she does remain in Southampton isn't known yet. It's pure speculation. Though I think ABP are more interested in her than getting Mary 1 back. But to be replaced by a clone is not the way to go. Replaced by originality would still be sad but better. Not having 2 ships that are the same all bar the outside lifts and exterior hull/funnel colours which is what Arcadia and Victoria are. Why can't Cunard have a transatlantic service with 2 Queens like the old days? After all, Mary 2 doesn't even do it all year round like they did. She buggers off to Fort Lauderdale for 5 months of the year. She does less transatlantic crossings than Lizzie did per year. Besides, the day Lizzie is withdrawn will make me feel very old and i hope no one sends me to the breakers. LOL!
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Patsy:
I know it is inevitable Lizzie will be withdrawn at some stage. Whether or not she does remain in Southampton isn't known yet. It's pure speculation.

Hotel/Museum ships are never very sucessful. The British climate destroys them very quickly too!

Though I think ABP are more interested in her than getting Mary 1 back.

A pipe dream!

But to be replaced by a clone is not the way to go. Replaced by originality would still be sad but better.

Purely a business decision.

Why can't Cunard have a transatlantic service with 2 Queens like the old days?

Not enough demand. It used to be the 'only way to cross' remember!

After all, Mary 2 doesn't even do it all year round like they did.

Even less demand in the winter months.

Besides, the day Lizzie is withdrawn will make me feel very old and i hope no one sends me to the breakers. LOL!

You are going to have a bereavement soon. We all go to the breakers sooner or later!

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