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ahrpd
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posted 07-14-2006 02:40 AM      Profile for ahrpd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
With the unfortunate and worrying increase in tensions in the Middle East, Louis Cruise Line and Silversea have announced revised itineraries, cancelling calls at Beirut. Other US and UK operators will no doubt follow suit.

Does anyone know what Abou Merhi Cruises have in mind for Orient Queen (ex Starward, Bolero), which has been based weekly from Beirut? I don't think she can possibly continue this programme.

Also, will Israeli companies be affected by the general unrest, or will they operate as usual?

Thanks for any information on this.


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Pascal
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posted 07-14-2006 03:25 AM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Orient Queen is stocked wherever she is as the Israelian Navy has completely locked the Lebanese waters.
Concerning the Israelians cruise ships, I don't see why they shouldn't depart as ,with all those rockets falling on the country, the sea must be the safest place to be.

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ahrpd
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posted 07-14-2006 05:17 AM      Profile for ahrpd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Orient Queen is probably locked out (rather than in)if her published itineraries are anything to go by!

TUESDAY BEIRUT 17:00
WEDNESDAY PORT SAID 09:00 23:00
THURSDAY LIMASSOL 12:30 17:30
FRIDAY RHODES 10:30 18:00
FRIDAY/SATURDAY MARMARIS 21:30 18:00
SUNDAY ANTALYA 06:00 17:30
MONDAY BEIRUT 20:00

With rocket fire also apparently hitting Haifa, will the four Israeli-ships which turnaround there -Dream, Mirage I, Royal Iris and The Iris, continue to do so? I must admit I would be very surprised!


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posted 07-14-2006 09:30 AM      Profile for elad   Email elad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Also, will Israeli companies be affected by the general unrest, or will they operate as usual?

Thanks for any information on this


we in Caspi cruises (i'm working in Caspi Cruises)
consider the wide options we've got. there are chances that the the mv Draem will have to be moved out from Haifa and repositioned in Ashdod instead. as for Mano Cruises i think things are normal.

Elad

[ 07-16-2006: Message edited by: joe at travelpage ]


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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 07-16-2006 02:39 PM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by ahrpd:
With the unfortunate and worrying increase in tensions in the Middle East, Louis Cruise Line and Silversea have announced revised itineraries, cancelling calls at Beirut. Other US and UK operators will no doubt follow suit.

Does anyone know what Abou Merhi Cruises have in mind for Orient Queen (ex Starward, Bolero), which has been based weekly from Beirut? I don't think she can possibly continue this programme.

Also, will Israeli companies be affected by the general unrest, or will they operate as usual?

Thanks for any information on this.


Given the fears that all-out war is imminent, I think you'll see ships avoiding this region like the plague. Although Isreal is largely unaffected at this point, those operators might be affected as many countries/ports may be hesitant to allow an Isreali ship into their waters.

Tim


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 07-16-2006 02:53 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder if this will have an effect on bookings/prices for cruises in the Western Med?
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Ernst
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posted 07-16-2006 02:59 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would expect more problems on itineraries to the Eastern Mediterranean - some ships actually are scheduled to go to Beirut. (..this is of course the least problem in this context...)
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 07-16-2006 06:11 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lets not forget that the Mediterranean sea is very big and most cruises go nowhere near the more sensitive areas.
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Robertdam
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posted 07-17-2006 05:01 AM      Profile for Robertdam   Author's Homepage   Email Robertdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That is true. But I can imagine people who want to book a cruise in this region will consider that this conflict may escalate. Most of the time, people will book their cruises some time ahead and I can imagine you don't want to book something near Egypt also at this time, because we do not know what will happen in the near future here. I'd rather book a safe cruise to Spain and France at the moment.
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elad
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posted 07-17-2006 06:01 AM      Profile for elad   Email elad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
actullu at this moment - israeli ships: Royal Iris, Iris ,Dream and Magic 1 are operating from Ashdod port - not o easy task considring the small terminal and the amount of passangers that embark yesterday - (4 ships - 2400 passengers...)
we in Caspi Cruises cancelled the call in Alania due to warings of passengers
at ths stage a seasfire is not in the horizon due to the israeli gov decsion - to destroy the terrorist organizentions in Lebanon- ones this goal will be achived - things will come back to thir old position

Elad


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PamM
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posted 07-17-2006 06:07 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Any cruise will be 'safe' though... no cruise line is going to put their vessel and pax at risk, so if booked for such an itinerary one may well end up elsewhere.

I feel for Louis as it was just this scenario that lost them a lot of money a few years back on their short cruises from Cyprus, which are ever popular with the N European holidays in Cyprus.

There are plenty of other Eastern Med ports out of the conflict area to enjoy. The losers will be the Israeli Lines as Tim pointed out; they may not be welcome at any other country with the fear of backlash. I hope this nonsense is soon squashed.

Pam


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 07-17-2006 09:29 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Robertdam:
I'd rather book a safe cruise to Spain and France at the moment.

I take your point, but how can you predict what 'safe' is in these troubled times?

Am I safe in my hometown of London using the 'tube' each day to work? Am I really safe in New York? An escalation could mean more terrorist attacts on home soil and that could incude any US State.

A cruise ship must be one of the safest vacations of them all.

[ 07-17-2006: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]


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Linerrich
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posted 07-17-2006 09:46 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Unfortunately many Americans are geographically-challenged, and may feel that any cruise "over there" meaning the Mediterranean or even Western Europe is too close for comfort. I did an East-bound crossing on OLYMPIA EXPLORER from Ft.Lauderdale to Lisbon in April, 2003, just when the invasion of Iraq was taking place. Hardly anyone was on the sailing; we had 240 passngers on board!

For as anyone knows, from Lisbon, if you squint your eyes hard enough, you can just see Beirut and even Bagdhad to the East!

Rich


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PamM
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posted 07-17-2006 09:56 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:
For as anyone knows, from Lisbon, if you squint your eyes hard enough, you can just see Beirut and even Baghdad to the East!

Oh dear... Lisbon to Beirut is only 14 miles further than LA to NYC, so pretty close at 2489miles by great circle route. Lisbon to Baghdad is 2971miles, 420 odd miles further than LA to Honolulu.

Pam


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 07-17-2006 10:46 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:
Unfortunately many Americans are geographically-challenged, and may feel that any cruise "over there" meaning the Mediterranean or even Western Europe is too close for comfort.

That's odd when all American's seem to have Degree's? They obviously do not study Geography as part of it?

I was in Egypt at Christmas and had a great time. I saw hundreds of Brit tourists and three American's.

I spoke to the Yanks and they were loving it. They felt that thier fellow countrymen were really missing out.


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TampaMike
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posted 07-17-2006 10:56 AM      Profile for TampaMike   Email TampaMike   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
MSNBC is reporting today that the US may charter Orient Queen to ferry 5000+ people from Lebanon.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13902115/

I remember her as Starward and 550+ were a tight fit. It will be an interesting undertaking.


Concerning geography. I would agree many Americans are globally challenged. Then again, America is a VERY large and diverse place. Knowing all of America is a challenge, let alone the world. I have traveled the world, but yet to see the Grand Canyon.

Please, please people...let our love for cruising unite us, not divide us.


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Johan
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posted 07-17-2006 11:40 AM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Distance is often more psychological than geografical.

As for 5000+ on the "Orient Queen" - it is not meant to be a leisure cruise, but an evacuation on a refugee ship. QM and QE were also not built to transport 10 000+ people.

J


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TampaMike
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posted 07-17-2006 11:52 AM      Profile for TampaMike   Email TampaMike   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I doubt 5000+ would be taken on a single sailing on a ship under 20,000 GRT. That is likely too dangerous even for the short haul.

And no, I was not expecting they would have shuffleboard.

Time for as break from the board again. The tone here gets pretty condescending at times.


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Johan
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posted 07-17-2006 12:00 PM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I didn't mean to be condescending.


Still, I do think that when you are bombarded, you want on any ship out.

J


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posted 07-17-2006 06:19 PM      Profile for SHIPS AGENT   Author's Homepage   Email SHIPS AGENT   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dear Friends

According to the Portuguese Television the French government has chartered a Greek ferry from LANE LINES/Greece to transport european citizens that wish to abandon Lebanon...If I am correct and from the images I saw the ship in question migth be theM/S Vitsentzos Kornaros.

The ship left for the first time Beirut this afternoon ( 1700 hrs lt) with european citizens, totally full.

From my point of view ferrys are the best option for this type of operations, simply because a cruise ship like the ORIENT QUEEN( I know she was a cruise ferry initialy) does not have prompt facilities _eg.stern/side ramp- like most of the ferries nowadays have...

Do you agree?

A special hello to my big friend Elad,

Dimas @ Madeira,Portugal


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Pascal
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posted 07-17-2006 06:29 PM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The ferry is Ierapetra
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posted 07-17-2006 06:59 PM      Profile for jeremya   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As per Primetime News hour 6:00p.m. EST in Canada, I have been following the news all day - several commercial cruise ships have been conscripted by Canadian, European and the U.S. Governments to move foreign nationals out of Lebanon by sea.

The Israeli blockade will be opened to allow passenger ships to move people out. This began earlier this afternoon, but no firm numbers have been issued of those who have been moved.

Cyprus is the air destination for helicopter evacuations of persons in Lebanon as well. It is also reported that if Americans want to get out of Lebanon.

The U.S. government will help them, but each citizen who is moved will be "Billed" by the U.S. gov't for evacuation.

Fancy that !! Billing citizens to get them out of a war zone. Isn't that just stoooopid!! But that's the U.S. Gov't for you!!

The U.S. Gov't says that there are so many people to move, over 25,000 citizens that they are overwhelmed by the numbers so hurry up and wait. They are amid a logistical nightmare of figuring out how to move that many people should this escalate further.

The Canadian Government has reported that we also have hired commercial ships to move our people out of Lebanon as of this afternoon, reports came from Ottawa and our Foreign Minister Peter Mackay. But the movement of foreign nationals is slow as logistics are not moving as fast as some would like. But contact numbers are up and running if you know of someone who needs to be moved.

(www.international.gc.ca) for Canadian Citizens.

As always our thoughts in Canada go out to all those in the middle of this crisis. I have not seen any published reports that tell us which cruise ships have been moved to humanitarian work as of this evening.


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posted 07-17-2006 07:57 PM      Profile for jsea     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
I was in Egypt at Christmas and had a great time. I saw hundreds of Brit tourists and three American's.

I spoke to the Yanks and they were loving it. They felt that thier fellow countrymen were really missing out.


Fear definitely has something to do with it (whether legitimate or not), but so does distance and cost. For most of us Americans, we're looking at 3x (plus) the distance versus flying from the UK, and much steeper airfare. Just like you find many more Americans in Mexico, you're gonna find more British/Europeans in Egypt. While I had always wanted to see Egypt, I only made it there when I was living in Spain because it was much cheaper and more convenient to use Europe as a starting point.

I will concede, however, that many Americans' travel habits have changed. During my visit in 2003 many Egyptians did tell me that the number of US tourists dropped significantly after 9/11. I hope we will see that change soon.


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Frosty 4
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posted 07-17-2006 08:01 PM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It is true that most Americans are very poor when it comes to geography and history. They now teach social studies which is suppose to cover these areas. Baloney!! I had Geo and Hist. when I went to school and had to know all the states and their capitals. Other countries of the world also. Granted there have been a lot of name changes especially in Africa over the years.
The best thing about cruising is seeing some of the places I learned about as a child.
I hope this business in the middle east calms down,but tensions have been so great for years will the outcome be that which is fortold in scripture??
Frosty 4

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posted 07-17-2006 08:11 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
[QB]

That's odd when all American's seem to have Degree's? They obviously do not study Geography as part of it?

QB]



I loved geography in school but I don't think they focus on it much these days. Here in L.A., we are busy teaching hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants basic English.


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