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I think:DeutschlandQM2Millenium Class?
Which ones do you think?
Actually the most AD modern ship I have seen is the original Star Princess albeit in a modern context, the foyer with its stainless steel and white banding and very AD light fittings and certainly the Entre Nous lounge (and to some extent the restaurant) was very AD, that said I hated the decor on the ship, it was really neither here or there, mostly bland and cheap looking, also VERY overfurnished so much so they transferred hundreds of chairs etc to the old Dawn and Fair Princess's to get rid of it - you could hardly walk down the corridor on Prom deck and of course the original Observation Lounge was a diaster.
AD could be both very simple and then also extremely elaborate and colourful, then of course we all get confused with Art Nouveux. (spelling?).
quote:Originally posted by NAL:I think of the Deutschland as faux Edwardian, but very nice for those who like it. I get the feeling of AD on the QM2, but not entirely.
QM2 does of bits of Deco/Moderne style onboard. The chrome elevator doors and stairwell railings have an Deco/Moderne feel to them. Illuminations is very Deco while the Britannia Restaurant has hints of QMs 1st class restaurant. The rest of the ship IMO has a modern international look except for a room here and there . Deutschland in many ways could have appeared pre WWI except of course for the modern materials used in her interior construction.
The Brilliance class girls and the Celebrity kids have very AD interiors, the dining rooms in particular.
quote:Originally posted by NAL:I think of the Deutschland as faux Edwardian, but very nice for those who like it.
Yes, the Deutschland is certainly NOT generally Art Deco in style at all:
The "Grand Hotel" decor evokes the splendor of the Edwardian period and the Roaring Twenties through the use of brass, marble, tiffany ceilings and resplendent upholstery in the lounges.
Many modern cruise ships have a mix of styles, such as Art Deco, Edwardian, Georgian, Victorian and Contemporary etc. The QE2 for example probably has the lot!
The QM2 doe have many Art Deco features. Brilliance and QM2's dining rooms are both inspired by the Original Queen Mary's Art Deco dining room and are both by Tilberg.
Its amazing to think that when the original Queen Mary was new, her then contemporary Art Deco interiors were considered shocking/inferior compared to what had gone before.
The Monarch (a traditionalist) allegedly wrote in her diary after touring the ship: “Not as bad as I had expected”.
[ 12-19-2006: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]
quote:Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:Its amazing to think that when the original Queen Mary was new, her then contemporary Art Deco interiors were considered shocking/inferior compared to what had gone before. [ 12-19-2006: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]
That didn't last. She ended up being the most succesful liner of her time. I love her insides. IMO there a little better then the Normandie. Don't get me wrong I love the Normandie to death but shes a just little over the top for my taste.
quote:Originally posted by linerguy:"IMO there a little better then the Normandie."
Yes tss. Nieuw Amsterdam 2 (1938)
Greetings Ben.
Are saying N.A.2 was a better decorated ship than NORMANDIE?
-Russ
quote:Originally posted by linerguy:Ben:Are saying N.A.2 was a better decorated ship than NORMANDIE?-Russ
Hi Russ and Ben,
It is like asking which one of your children do you love more; unless your the dad in East of Eden.
Both are tour de force and IMO Nieuw Amsterdam is more 'downtown' where Le Normandie more 'uptown'
From looking at the photos Nieuw Amsterdam has better decorated cabin and tourist digs than Normandie.
PS: I had found out that Queen Mary 1 had better load factors than the Normandie due to QM's better tourist class facilities. It was NOT due to the overpowering first class on Le Normandie.
Your point regarding the two ships (NORMANDIE and N.A. 2) is well taken. And while I understand that preference is a personal thing, and I certainly wouldn't think of robbing anyone of their opinion, when one is making comparisons, they have to meet you at least half way. In other words, NORMANDIE and the lovely N.A.2 were worlds apart and not in the same league as each other. Rarely are the two ships discussed in the same breath,...if ever.
And as far as NORMANDIE and QM's load factors are concerned, yes, the Cunarder had better load factors,...she held more passengers ( at least in tourist and third class). It's interesting to note that, during her time in service ('35 to '39), NORMANDIE was profitable to the tune of 165 million francs,...after expenses. In fact, her profits actually quadrupled during the short time she was in service; which means that, after the war, she was sorely missed as far as competition goes. And since she wasn't around to give Cunard a run for their money, the numbers will always be slanted towards QM.
Russ
quote:Originally posted by linerguy:Hi Dave,.. In other words, NORMANDIE and the lovely N.A.2 were worlds apart and not in the same league as each other. Rarely are the two ships discussed in the same breath,...if ever.And as far as NORMANDIE and QM's load factors are concerned, NORMANDIE was profitable to the tune of 165 million francs,...after expenses. In fact, her profits actually quadrupled during the short time she was in service; Russ
In other words, NORMANDIE and the lovely N.A.2 were worlds apart and not in the same league as each other. Rarely are the two ships discussed in the same breath,...if ever.
And as far as NORMANDIE and QM's load factors are concerned, NORMANDIE was profitable to the tune of 165 million francs,...after expenses. In fact, her profits actually quadrupled during the short time she was in service; Russ
I would believe the NA2 was a much less expensive ship to build. The Empress of Britain 2: a fair comparison to the NA2 was 1/5 the cost of the Normandie to build.
It is comparing a C class Mercedes to an S class Mercedes. However both are nice driving experiences.
I was back to back from the QM1 to the Regal Empress and noticed the postwar ship used less expensive materials.
Either way, the materials and craftsmanship levels on whats left of the Regal Empress and Topaz or simply unnattainable today.
I agree with you both.
I would agree 100% that N.A.2 and EMPRESS OF BRITAIN are more of a fair comparison (though I prefer the Canadian Pacific ship over the Dutch ship hands down). Though I will say that N.A.2's exterior was far more modern for the time...but, then again she was a few years younger.
And, yes, NORMANDIE was incredibly more expensive to build than the Holland America ship,...which is another reason they shouldn't be compared to each other.
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