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bulbousbow
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posted 03-23-2007 07:21 AM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Aker Yards designs Princess Kaguya colossus
March 23, 2007

Conceptual designs for a huge ‘urban cruise ship’ which will house three 1,200 room hotels offering residential suites and offices, a total of 45 restaurants, a shopping mall, 6,000sq mtr convention hall, a 2,000 seater concert hall and amusement park, have been completed by Aker Yards, Seatrade Insider can reveal.

The company behind the project is Tokyo-based Japan Contents Network Inc whose CEO 60-year old Hajime Tanaka designed and built three Japanese golf courses in the 70s and a private driving circuit which hosted two Formula One Pacific Grand Prix’s in the 90s.

The dimensions of the ship, project name Princess Kaguya, are staggering: 370,000gt, 500 mtr long, with 20 decks and capacity for 8,400 passengers, 4,000 crew and a service speed of 20 knots. ‘What makes this project different to a conventional cruise ship is the ability to cater for 10,000 visitors whilst the ship is in port, in addition to the passenger/crew roster, allowing up to 30,000 people to be onboard simultaneously,’ Ko Nemoto, JCN corporate officer told Seatrade Insider.

The idea would be to hold sporting events and exhibition and trade shows on the floating city whilst the ship was in port, initially in Asian waters but dependent on demand the ships could go anywhere in the world.

Nemoto confirmed the company is now analyzing the business and financial aspects of the project in conjunction with a prominent European corporate finance house and a dozen or so Asian financial institutions. ‘We hope to get financial backing by the end of this year, and would spend a further year working on contractural issues’. The construction period will be three years so realistically the ship would not be ready until late 2011, early 2012.

Originally JCN set its sights higher, looking for a double-Genesis sized ship of around 450,000gt, but Nemoto said the conceptual study undertaken by Aker Yards showed the 370,000gt size to be technically feasible and more realistic in terms of manoevring in ports. RCI’s Genesis, arriving in 2009, will be 220,000gt, so Princess Nagoya would be more than one-and-a-half times bigger.

Asked by Seatrade if Princess Nagoya would be realized, Aker’s Juha Heikinheimo, svp sales and marketing Cruise & Ferries said last week in Miami: ‘We are a company of innovation. If a customer with a serious proposal approaches us we will take the project seriously. Princess Nagoya is a conceptual design that we verify is feasible to build,’ he confirmed. Would Aker be interested in building such a vessel? ‘Naturally yea, but we are not the only yard that could build such a design and if the project goes ahead the owners may ask anyone to bid,’ he noted.

Heikinheimo added, ‘some say Genesis-class is too big but limitations on cruise ship design are only in people’s thinking. Genesis will operate in the Caribbean out of Miami but there are other seas and other ports in the world that can take large ships. As designers and builders our task is to ensure the feasibility and seaworthiness of a design. There are lots of ports that can accommodate a 500mtr long ship.’

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posted 03-23-2007 08:42 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A floating convention centre? rather than a cruise ship. An upgraded HMS Britannia A better idea than a huge cruise ship or floating city. 20kts seems on the speedy side for such a vessel though.

Pam


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posted 03-23-2007 10:42 AM      Profile for 6263866   Email 6263866   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For that size, I don't think 20 knots is even safe..whatever, I think this is just going to be another Freedom vessel dream, well hopefully.
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posted 03-23-2007 01:29 PM      Profile for Jekyll   Email Jekyll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We've been hearing about ships like this since Knut Kloster...until any of them actually start construction...I am not holding my breath.
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posted 03-23-2007 04:54 PM      Profile for Cunard Fan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wouldn't something like this be a huge potental terorist target? Who would want to be stuck on a ship with that many other people?
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posted 03-23-2007 05:12 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No more so than anywhere else where there are many people altogether. You can't live your life worrying about such things; take more care on the roads.

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posted 03-23-2007 06:06 PM      Profile for Linerdan   Email Linerdan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"The dimensions of the ship, project name Princess Kaguya, are staggering: 370,000gt, 500 mtr long, with 20 decks and capacity for 8,400 passengers, 4,000 crew and a service speed of 20 knots"


What would the chances be of getting 1st sitting at dinner..........

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PamM
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posted 03-23-2007 08:07 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The website is here. Quite an enlightning read of the ideas.

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posted 03-23-2007 08:20 PM      Profile for CGT        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Where and when does the madness end?
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posted 03-23-2007 09:31 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pam, thanks for the link. It does make interesting reading, especially their "backwards and forwards" itinerary. On their Ports of Call page they have her visiting the cruise terminal in Venice, Italy. How will they get a 500m vessel up the Giudecca canal!? Or rather, will the Venetian authorities let her in?

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posted 03-23-2007 09:49 PM      Profile for Thad   Email Thad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Interesting to look at the comparison image. I am surprised that the Genesis does not look much larger than the Freedom in profile, though she is like 30 feet wider at least...


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posted 03-23-2007 11:09 PM      Profile for jeremya   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A most ambitious build plan. With a ship this big with such incredible service to so many, is this the next incarnation of travel.

A "World Ship" that not only transports people from one place to another, but like a World Nations Representative, welcoming to world on board in an open community setting.

With Land Space in Asia being at a premium, this is just another "response" to finding places to house, transport, and entertain the masses. I know the Ocean is the biggest unexplored frontier, with ships like this in the offing in years to come, we might see real "cities at sea" beyond anything RCI can throw at us.

I'm sure that many ship yards will be in on this, I'm sure that Mitsubishi Heavy Industries ship builders are aware of this. Seeing that they have built some of the biggest heavy use ships in service.

Princess Kaguya would be the "Genesis" of the new concept of world travel.


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posted 03-24-2007 03:17 AM      Profile for Christophe D   Author's Homepage   Email Christophe D   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If Aker Yard receives an order for this ship, she will be built at Saint-Nazaire.
Turku can't build ship more longer than Genesis.
But, I think that many shipbuilders will be associated and blocks will be assembly in France.

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How utterly wasteful. I mean size matters, but this is carrying it to the extreme - are there even any oil tankers this huge???????
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I don't see much of a funnel??

Is it nuclear powered?


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quote:
Originally posted by Rex:
How utterly wasteful. I mean size matters, but this is carrying it to the extreme - are there even any oil tankers this huge???????

Look at
this thread . Unless I am wrong this ship will still be bigger then the Princess Kaguya

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posted 03-24-2007 02:46 PM      Profile for GregD   Author's Homepage   Email GregD   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am going through the deckplans (cause im in college and for some reason I have that kind of time ) and she doesn't seem that big. I mean maybe the actually size is fooling me, but the sizes of the public rooms are not that big and with 2 'arena's' they seem out of place and alot of weight for the top of the ship.
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posted 03-28-2007 08:08 AM      Profile for Marlowe   Email Marlowe   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am sorry, but to me the general arrangement is odd to say the least. I can make little sense of it but perhaps for an all Asian clientele who knows?

I would say the biggest drawback is the draft to height and length to beam ratios. Neither is condusive to stability or seaworthiness. Also many of the harbors listed in the itinery do not have berths which can take such a long vessel. This reminds me of the issue of the A-380 being too heavy for many of the world's runways and we know where that plane is going...nowhere!

The Genesis design makes much more sense for a mega-ship.

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posted 03-28-2007 10:46 AM      Profile for 6263866   Email 6263866   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Asides the "new concept of cruising", which I think is horrible, that ship is hideous, the modern milk boxes today don't bother me much, I am one that says oh there not so ugly, but this is.....300,000 grt of eww.
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RCI is probably not happy about this ship.
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quote:
Originally posted by 6263866:
Asides the "new concept of cruising", which I think is horrible, that ship is hideous, the modern milk boxes today don't bother me much, I am one that says oh there not so ugly, but this is.....300,000 grt of eww.


I don't think this new concept is horrible. I love the idea that local population will be allowed to board the ship (no need to moan during decades to recieve an invitation).

The ship in itself is ugly and not high enough. And that's normal as if it was well proportioned he couldn't reach many important ports (eg New York) whose access is limited by bridges. That explains the ridiculously little funnel.


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The ship in itself is ugly and not high enough. And that's normal as if it was well proportioned he couldn't reach many important ports (eg New York) whose access is limited by bridges. That explains the ridiculously little funnel.
quote:

Even if the ship was low enough to pass below bridges, it would still be to big and be to much of a obsticle for other traffic, I would imagine a fleet of ferries going back and fourth a mile out at sea where the Princess Kaguya would be anchored.


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The ship is called Princess Kaguya because its also a fairy-tale.
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Anyone getting flashbacks of the now defunct Freedom City Ship. And we all know where that project ended up.
-Greg

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And I thought Genesis was going to be big, the tonnage is too much. She looks like a large MSC Musica to me.
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