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cruceromania
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posted 04-11-2007 06:58 AM      Profile for cruceromania   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
NCL Announces Temporary Withdrawal of Pride of Hawai`i

Miami - abril 10, 2007 ---

NCL Corporation ("NCL"), parent company of NCL America and Norwegian Cruise Line, today announced the temporary withdrawal of Pride of Hawai`i from the Hawai`i market effective February 2008. The ship will be deployed to Europe for the summer of 2008 as part of the Norwegian Cruise Line fleet.

NCL's substantial 2006 losses, reported in February of this year, have been caused by downward pricing pressure in the Hawai`i market following the addition of Pride of Hawai`i to the fleet last summer, and the steep increase in the amount of foreign flag competition entering the Hawai`i market from the west coast.

"We take this action with regret, but sure in the knowledge that a temporary retrenchment is the right thing to do for the good of the business and the good of Hawai`i in the long run," said Colin Veitch, NCL Corporation's president and CEO. "We remain committed to building a strong U.S. Flag cruise business home ported in Hawai`i, and we need to make sure that our other two ships, Pride of Aloha and Pride of America, are able to achieve acceptable profitability before we can confidently re-introduce Pride of Hawai`i."

According to Veitch, NCL America has grown very quickly over three years, and its competitors have also surged, starting in 2006, offering almost 80 percent additional capacity days on top of NCL America's in 2007.

"Clearly we are victims of our own success," Veitch continued. "We have demonstrated that Hawai`i is a highly attractive cruise destination and Hawai`i now has four times as much capacity serving it in 2007 as it did in 2004 when we started NCL America.

"We are now very hopeful that this latest measure will make the critical difference in ensuring the success of this important venture. We continue to have a vision of a strong domestic cruise industry in Hawai`i and firmly believe that the combination of steps we have now taken will result in a strong NCL America delivering the best cruise itinerary anywhere in the world with the very highest standard of service at sea," Veitch concluded.

For guests booked on Pride of Hawai`i in February 2008 and beyond, NCL is offering a $50 on-board credit per stateroom for those who rebook by May 1, 2007, on Pride of America, Pride of Aloha or any ship in the NCL fleet. Guests choosing to cancel will receive a full refund.


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Pascal
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posted 04-11-2007 07:37 AM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Interesting piece of news. It's a sort of official confirmation that NCL America grew "too fast too big".
I wonder if the ship will be temporarily reflagged to get a cheaper crew (and a casino, by the way).

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posted 04-11-2007 07:57 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not surprising news, really. NCL clearly over-estimated the demand for inter-Hawian cruises, the costs involved and the competition.

Although Veitch claims it’s a ‘Temporary’ measure, this remains to be seen. If they truly believe that it is a temporary measure, they will not want to change the ships name or the décor, but I bet they add a Casino.

It may seem odd having a ship called ‘Pride of Hawaii’ cruising in Europe, but it’s no stranger than the Norway in the Caribbean. I suppose they will have to have a non-US crew to make her competitive? Does that mean job loses for the NCLA crew - although they probably need all that they can get for the other two NCLA ships.

Veitch said NCL’s competitors have seen the potential in the Hawaii market and have added almost 80 percent additional capacity days on top of NCL America's in 2007."Clearly we are victims of our own success,"

Financial losses and continuing poor reviews of food and service are hardly success! However I would like to see them succeed especially for the sake of the SS United States. However, I must admit that I would now rate the chances of her ever returning to service as ‘zero’.


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Fairsky
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posted 04-11-2007 10:19 AM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, there are going to be people all over CT saying "I told you so." Many of us predicted that the business plan for NCLAmerica was flawed at the start, and this is confirmation that we were correct.

I would guess that Pride of Hawaii will be reflagged and renamed when she joins the NCL fleet in Europe. Staying with the US flag would be unnecessary and expensive. (The US flag was necessary to do inter-island Hawaii cruises. Sailing in Europe would not require it. And under a US flag she would require an all American crew and no casino--a very expensive and unprofitable move, and part of the problem NCLAmerica is suffering from.)


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BigUFan
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posted 04-11-2007 11:12 AM      Profile for BigUFan   Author's Homepage   Email BigUFan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You said it, Fairsky. Proof positive that maybe this was a bad idea. I guess we should start playing "taps" for the SSUS.

[ 04-11-2007: Message edited by: BigUFan ]


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Waynaro
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posted 04-11-2007 11:52 AM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would think transferring the PRIDE OF ALOHA will be easier in terms of conversion. After all, she used to be NORWEGIAN SKY and she has all the space for a casino and all that. Also, they can reflag her, leaving the "Project America" ships in Hawaii. Where will they fit the casino on PRIDE OF HAWAII?
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Thad
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posted 04-11-2007 11:54 AM      Profile for Thad   Email Thad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually the Casino is not a US Flag thing, but rather a Hawaiian state law....
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lasuvidaboy
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posted 04-11-2007 11:54 AM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I always wondered how NCLA thought they could fill not one but three huge cruise ships on the Hawaiian run. Would'nt it have been a wise to have started w/one big ship and then gradually add another?
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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 04-11-2007 12:29 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi all

I was not surprised to read of the problems NCL are having with their ships cruising to Hawaii after they reported a loss of 131 million dollars for 2006.

Transfering one ship to Europe in 2008 may help things out, and give them some extra crew for the ships remaining on that service.

From the reports I have read about service on their ships cruising to Hawaii it appears they have major problems with the all American crews providing good service for their passengers, plus they have a problem in keeping staff on these ships and it appears often sail without a full crew for the hotel operation on board.

I can not see they will leave an all American crew on a ship cruising in Europe.

Regarding the ss United States and the ss Indepence/Oceanic, with NCL loosing so much money last year I think there is now very little chance of either ship ever returning to service for NCL.

They got into the American cruising market by buying them plus the incomplete cruise ships being built in America and will now just cut their losses and dump them !

Always remember behind Star Cruises and NCL is a gambling company.

Some you win and some you loose !

Neil ( Bob )


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Carlos Fernandez
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posted 04-11-2007 01:06 PM      Profile for Carlos Fernandez   Author's Homepage   Email Carlos Fernandez   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's about time, but I don't think they are victims of their own success, I just think they are victims of what they have done and the whole NCLA thing. I knew 3 ships were too much on a chain of small islands, clearly enough it was. Hawaii is growing as a cruise market and it is a very good destination, but there are many ships there.

Better than sending the Pride of Hawaii to Europe during the summer, they should leave it in Miami doing 7-day itineraries, as every other large cruise line, see, they are not very smart, an alternative to Carnival and RCCL.

The Pride of Hawaii as is would not fit in Miami, it is not the same having the Norway in the Caribbean just with the name than having a totally Hawaiian themed vessel in Europe, doesn't match, and i'm sure that going from Hawaii to Europe and back plus, re-naming and re-decorating a ship twice a year is not very profittable; or it stays in Hawaii, which hasn't worked out, or it goes out of Hawaii completely.


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Italian Cruiser
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posted 04-11-2007 01:08 PM      Profile for Italian Cruiser   Email Italian Cruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Frankly I'm not really surprised that the Pride of Hawaii will be transferred to the main NCL fleet. As already said three cruise ships deployed year round in the Hawaii were probably too many.

Don't forget that in 2008 NCL will need another ship in Europe, due to the transfer of the Norwegian Dream to Star Cruises. It will be really crazy to not perform again the cruises to the Baltic Sea, always fully booked. If NCL will be able to mantein the same prices of the Norwegian Dream, a large cruise ship as the Pride of Hawaii will be really very successfull in this area.

How will they rename the Pride of Hawaii ?

Frankly I'd really like the names NORWEGIAN ODYSSEY and NORWEGIAN LIBERTY. Even NORWEGIAN PRIDE will be not really bad !


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desirod7
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posted 04-11-2007 03:01 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
An EXCELLENT insight from Liner's List

quote:
to defend NCL, which is akin to defending the current US Administration in terms of oherence, it should be remembered that Hawaii in terms of visitor count is one of the most popular travel destinations in the world, commanding and getting top prices for hotels. IF NCL captured even 5% of this market, all three ships would be full year round, every week. I imagine business admin. students will be writing term papers on this for years to come, how NCL made a hash of this, but putting aside horrible media coverage on each inaugual season, staffing problems, the bigger issue seems to be the folly of having
three large ships run identical voyages a few days apart.

Having worked for Matson who had every voyage full, *I* would have had three ships all doing something different, like this. . .

-Pride of Aloha, 3 & 4 day shorter cruises RT from HNL
-Pride of America, 7 day RT's from HNL
-Pride of Hawaii, SF/LA to Honolulu, around the Islands and back to CA

This would have used the best and fastest ship on an ocean voyage which also would have obviated the huge problem NCL had getting air space TO the
Islands. Given the aging population, the general misery of long coach air flights,
I cannot believe NCL could not have filled this RT from California twice a month.

Christopher


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 04-11-2007 03:47 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The advantage of the cruise ship business, unlike much land-based business such as a Hotel, if demand falls in one particular market, you can move it to another market, in another part of the world.

So NCL must be thankful that they don't run Hotels.


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Thad
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posted 04-11-2007 04:33 PM      Profile for Thad   Email Thad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have read that she will be renamed and re-registered in the Bahamas before moving on to Europe. No clue yet as to the new name, but maybe a gem stone like Norwegian Diamond or Emerald or Sapphire....
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jeremya
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posted 04-11-2007 04:44 PM      Profile for jeremya   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What happened to the rumor thread about the move of the ship???

I spent time last night participating and the original thread is gone!!!


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 04-11-2007 04:57 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by jeremya:
What happened to the rumor thread about the move of the ship?

Sorry but the previous thread became corrupted due to a software glitch. Please repost.


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posted 04-11-2007 05:17 PM      Profile for NWLB   Author's Homepage   Email NWLB   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It would seem a telling thing that they moved one of the ship. It means the financial pressure is real enough to prompt serious changes. I doubt any ship transferred will ever sail with NCLA again. I wouldn’t be shocked if they wind up selling off the last ship in the brand. To whom, and for what purpose, that will be interesting.
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posted 04-11-2007 05:42 PM      Profile for Carlos Fernandez   Author's Homepage   Email Carlos Fernandez   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What Desirod posted that Christopher said might have worked, having the older ship doing 3 and 4 day cruises roundtrip Honolulu, I'm sure many people, even Hawaiians would travel on these. Also, having the ship with lowest speed and more consumption doing 7 day cruises from Honolulu, and the one with a faster speed and lower consumption doing maybe trips from the US west coast to Hawaii ending in Honolulu and other back or cruises longer than 7 days roundtrip from the west coast. Maybe what NCLA needed was diversity.
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posted 04-11-2007 05:53 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Carlos Fernandez:
What Desirod posted that Christopher said might have worked, having the older ship doing 3 and 4 day cruises roundtrip Honolulu, I'm sure many people, even Hawaiians would travel on these. .

NCLA did offer 3 & 4-night cruises on one of the ships (can't remember which one), combined with a longer hotel package for people so inclined. The problem was, this was part of a 7-night cruise, so people could board or disembark in Maui, halfway through the regular cruise. Perhaps it became a logistical nightmare, but for whatever reason, those cruises were discontinued last year.

Rich


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Fairsky
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posted 04-11-2007 06:01 PM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
NCLA might be sustainable with only two ships. I emphasize "might." But I still imagine a few possible outcomes:

1. Eventually NCL decides that getting into emerging market would be more profitable than keeping two ships in Hawaii. They then transfer Pride of Aloha back into the NCL or Star fleet leaving Pride of America alone in Hawaii.

2. NCL keeps two ships in Hawaii, but not year round. One ship begins doing more Pacific coastal cruises and California - Hawaii runs.

3. Star does what has been rumored and sells NCL. New owners recognize the stupidity of NCLA and fold the brand into NCL.


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posted 04-11-2007 07:40 PM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Carlos Fernandez:

Better than sending the Pride of Hawaii to Europe during the summer, they should leave it in Miami doing 7-day itineraries, as every other large cruise line, see, they are not very smart, an alternative to Carnival and RCCL.

The Pride of Hawaii as is would not fit in Miami, it is not the same having the Norway in the Caribbean just with the name than having a totally Hawaiian themed vessel in Europe, doesn't match, and i'm sure that going from Hawaii to Europe and back plus, re-naming and re-decorating a ship twice a year is not very profittable; or it stays in Hawaii, which hasn't worked out, or it goes out of Hawaii completely.


Carlos,

placing the ship year 'round in the Caribbean would be alomost as big a folly/blunder as Hawaii. They need to place the tonnage where it will get the greatest return on the $450+ million capital investment in the ship. The Florida-Caribbean routes are already over-saturated and she can earn close to double, if not more in Europe than the Caribbean.

You won't see that ship shuttled back and forth or redecorated. She will be re-named and won't be back in Hawaii until 2010 at the earliest.

Tim


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 04-11-2007 08:43 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have a question about staffing of cruise ships. The US owned British registerred ships of Cunard and P&O have multi national crews and I assume that many are non British citizens. Are non-British/EU citizens allowed to work onboard British registerred cruise ships and if so are they on some sort of work permit that restricts their employment to shipboard work?

With all the talk about staffing problems at NCLA I was just curious about how the British lines deal w/this.


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jeremya
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posted 04-12-2007 12:10 AM      Profile for jeremya   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Last night I was playing with the random name generator for possible "Norwegian" renames for P.O.H.

1. Norwegian Crown - or Anchor
2. Norwegian Dawn - or Sunset
3. Norwegian Dream - or Phantasm
4. Norwegian Gem - or Pride
5. Norwegian Jewel - or Fortuna
6. Norwegian Majesty - or Dynasty
7. Norwegian Pearl - or Regalia
8. Norwegian Sea - or Ocean
9. Norwegian Spirit - or Shadow
10. Norwegian Star - or Galaxy
11. Norwegian Wind - or Rain

Based on the named 11 ships - I have randomly generated renames taking into consideration the influences of competing cruise lines in Europe.


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Fairsky
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posted 04-12-2007 12:24 AM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How about:

Norwegian Mistake
Norwegian Oops
Norwegian Mismanagement
Norwegian Couldn't-Make-a-Profit-in-Hawaii
Norweigan Don't-Worry-My-Crew-Isn't-American

Or they could play off the ship's current name and call her:
Tried in Hawai'i


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posted 04-12-2007 02:00 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Its not just "faile dto make a profit in Hawaii" if you take the Hawaii figures out NCL failed to make a profit on any of its operations, and even though they introduced new tonnage their occupancy actually fell last year.

I applaud their actions with POH but let us not forget that their problems are more than just NCLA, NCL itself is not working well either.

Alot of effort will be required to turn this besty around, mind you if you look back at NCL history from a financial point of view it is by far the roughest ride of any of the big cruise operators.


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