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adriana & norway lover
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posted 09-27-2007 08:55 AM      Profile for adriana & norway lover     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello,

Pullmantur Cruises added a new webpage on their website, MS "Moon Empress"

http://www.pullmanturcruises.com/moonempress.html

According to the photos, "Moon Empress" would be obviously the new name of the "Pacific", the former Love Boat "Pacific Princess"... But the ' "Empress Of The Seas" also must be transferred in this fleet in 2008...

Would not it be rather the new name of her ? "From "Empress Of The Seas" to "Moon Empress"...

mickael


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Robertdam
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posted 09-27-2007 09:13 AM      Profile for Robertdam   Author's Homepage   Email Robertdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
On the French site Crocierenet.com the photo of empress of the seas is used for the cruises of Moon Empress so we will have to guess i think...
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Willem
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posted 09-27-2007 09:45 AM      Profile for Willem        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In Spanish the 2008 Pullmantur program:

ZENITH - Rondo Veneciano - Venecia, Venecia, Dubrovnik, navegación, Santorini, Rodas, Mikonos, Atenas. Y viceversa Desde el 17 de Marzo hasta 27 de Octubre

OCEAN DREAM (ex-Pacific Star) - Joyas del Mediterraneo - Barcelona, navegación, Tunez, Malta, Sicilia, Roma, Villefranche, Barcelona.
Desde el 11 de Mayo hasta el 26 de Octubre

SKY WONDER - Islas Griegas y Turquía - Atenas, Atenas, Heraklion, Rodas, Kusadasi, Patmos, Estambul, Estambul. Y viceversa.
Desde el 16 de Marzo hasta el 2 de Noviembre

OCEANIC - Brisas del Mediterraneo - Barcelona, Villefranche, Livorno, Roma, Nápoles, Túnez, navegación, Barcelona.
Desde el 3 de Marzo hasta el 29 de Diciembre

MOON EMPRESS (ex-Empress of the Seas)
Desde el 15 de Marzo hasta el 5 de Mayo
- Antillas y Granadinas - Aruba, Curaçao, Isla Margarita, Grenada, Barbados, St. Vicent, navegación, Aruba. Posibilidad tambien de
embarcar en Isla Margarita.

Desde el 24 de Mayo hasta el 20 de Septiembre
- Capitales Bálticas - Copenhague, Gdansk, Klaipeda (Lituania), Estocolmo, Tallín, St. Petersburgo, St. Petersburgo, Helsinki. Y
viceversa.


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posted 09-27-2007 11:18 AM      Profile for recab   Email recab   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Robertdam:
On the French site Crocierenet.com the photo of empress of the seas is used for the cruises of Moon Empress so we will have to guess i think...

We don´t have to guess as the Empress of the Seas will become the Moon Empress


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Carlos Fernandez
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posted 09-27-2007 01:09 PM      Profile for Carlos Fernandez   Author's Homepage   Email Carlos Fernandez   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I preffer Empress of the Seas and I can just imagine how bad the Pullmantur livery will look on her.
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Fairsky
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posted 09-27-2007 02:23 PM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't understand why these fairly new Spanish market cruise lines don't use a more unified naming system for their ships. Iberojet suffers from the same disjointed names as Pullmantur. I'd think with CCL and RCI in the picture they bring a better sense of brand unity to these lines.
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recab
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posted 09-27-2007 02:26 PM      Profile for recab   Email recab   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Carlos Fernandez:
I preffer Empress of the Seas and I can just imagine how bad the Pullmantur livery will look on her.

Explain yourself, please. The NE will be handed over to Pullmanturs and can´t keep her present name!


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posted 09-27-2007 02:33 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Pullmantur livery is not that bad. First I also thought that it's awful - and I do not like it on Oceanic - but when I saw Zenith in real I changed my mind. Maybe this clips helps.

[ 09-27-2007: Message edited by: Ernst ]


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Willem
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posted 09-27-2007 03:36 PM      Profile for Willem        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:
The Pullmantur livery is not that bad. First I also thought that it's awful - and I do not like it on Oceanic - but when I saw Zenith in real I changed my mind. [ 09-27-2007: Message edited by: Ernst ]

Ernst,

The livery on Oceanic, Sky Wonder and now Zenith does not look bad at all.
Why changing your mind on Zenith and not on Oceanic ? ?


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Ernst
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posted 09-27-2007 03:48 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't know. Maybe it's the writing on the hull which is more adequate for a modern vessel than for an old one. In case of Zenith I would even go that far to say that she would look worse without the writing on the hull - though I was surprised how nice the white works on her - it's very concise.
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Carlos Fernandez
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posted 09-27-2007 06:04 PM      Profile for Carlos Fernandez   Author's Homepage   Email Carlos Fernandez   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by recab:

Explain yourself, please. The NE will be handed over to Pullmanturs and can´t keep her present name!


What I meant is that I prefer EOTS under the Royal Caribbean brand, yes, the name must change.

I agree that Pullmantur should have a better naming system, maybe add the word Pullmantur before the name, for example: Pullmantur Empress, Pullmantur Ocean for Oceanic, and Pacific??? Will "Pacific" even sail the Pacific ocean?


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Ernst
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posted 09-27-2007 06:09 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whereas some Pullmatur names are awful (Holiday Dream) it is actually nice that they do not follow the other lines having a naming scheme that includes the name of the cruise line - and to rename Oceanic would be a sacrilege.
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posted 09-27-2007 09:12 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Instead of the awful Blue Moon why not a Spanish name like 'Reina del Mar'. A few British and U.S. liners etc. had lovely Spanish names for passenger ships so why does'nt Pullmantur?
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buddhaJoe
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posted 09-28-2007 05:00 AM      Profile for buddhaJoe   Email buddhaJoe   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
hi there,

as i have said before the ships of Pullmantur are quiet interesting

for livery they don't really seem to put a lot of effort in, Blue Dream and Blue Star retained their Renaissance colour scheme, although it has to be said those ships were originally chartered

however Blue Moon... got a blue "livery"when she was bought she was sailing as Delphin Renaissance with a white hull!!

now then... I agree with Ernst that Zenith has not become worse then she was with Celebrity colours
and I would say the same thing for Holiday Dream and Sky Wonder, it's actually not bad at all

so i can't see Carlos why you think the RCI livery is better looking then... it's seems boring to me
is it a livery at all? just plain white with the RCI logo on the funnel?? everyone has it preferences
though, so... first let's wait what she will look like with a blue funnel....

the shipnames of Pullmantur are a bit harder to understand, it's seems to lack so much imagination, no invention or whatever and may-be
that is a plus so completeley inconsistent
some ships retain their name... Oceanic and Zenith
other's get slight alterations and i like Sky Wonder and Moon Empress (it keeps a bit of history there)
but some Holiday Dream , Blue Dream, Blue Moon
Ocean Dream. well i don't know may-be they like dreaming a lot..

what to say about Oceanic II? sometimes it really makes scratch your head, probably that's why i like Pullmantur as a cruiseline, a bit out of the ordinary

will RCCI keep up that strategy???

best regards
b. Joe

[ 09-28-2007: Message edited by: buddhaJoe ]


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Willem
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posted 09-28-2007 07:49 AM      Profile for Willem        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
Instead of the awful Blue Moon why not a Spanish name like 'Reina del Mar'. A few British and U.S. liners etc. had lovely Spanish names for passenger ships so why does'nt Pullmantur?

According to someone in Spain, the Spanish public won't sail on a ship with a Spanish name.
English names are more interesting despite the fact that native English speaking people think they are awful.

Willem


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Carlos Fernandez
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posted 09-28-2007 07:51 AM      Profile for Carlos Fernandez   Author's Homepage   Email Carlos Fernandez   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The ships are nice, just that they don't have consistency. Empress of the Seas' first colors, as Nordic Empress looked very good, I do not like the overall white she has now. What I don't like about the Pullmantur livery are the colors, the ships look good in white, but the big red letters does not match the blue of the ocean, if the red on the ships were blue they would look better, red makes a secondhand ship look cheap but looks great on Cunard and other lines when used properly, and why have two Pullmantur logos? one in the hull, the other in the funnel.
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Willem
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Written by a Spaniard:

<quote>
Names in English sound more fashionable to Pullmantur passengers.
Problably someone speaking English wouldn´t be that impressed, but someone with no idea of what these names mean, find them more trendy than calling then Ciudad de Barcelona, Cervantes, or whatever. Not many people speak english over here, and English names sound owwww .... impressive for some people.
<unquote>


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 09-28-2007 02:02 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Willem:

According to someone in Spain, the Spanish public won't sail on a ship with a Spanish name.
English names are more interesting despite the fact that native English speaking people think they are awful.

Willem



That is interesting. I recall reading that many postwar Italian immigrants preferred crossing on the Independence/Constitution over their national flag liners. Then there were the German liners of the early 20th Century that had ships w/U.S. related names.

The Independence still had signage in Italian before her mid 1990s refit. The beautifully designed 1950s electric signs were located in many parts of the ship but I don't remember seeing them after her rebuilding.


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Carlos Fernandez
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posted 09-28-2007 04:12 PM      Profile for Carlos Fernandez   Author's Homepage   Email Carlos Fernandez   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's a photoshop image I did of how she would look as Moon Empress.

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posted 09-29-2007 02:48 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I must admit when I heard Pullmantur was getting this ship I figured they would just call her "EMPRESS".

But then again they didn't call HOLIDAY DREAM "SUPERSTAR" or (amazingly) SKY WONDER "PACIFIC II", so there.

While the names do sound silly in English (SKY WONDER is still the most ridiculous-sounding one to me, but MOON EMPRESS is close), Pullmantur's naming scheme is at least never boring, not something one can say for many other cruise lines!

As for the livery, as far as I am concerned they ruined the appearance of this ship when they painted out all the blue "racing stripes". Now that she is all white she just looks like a big slab-sided box which, in fact, is what she is.

But I am not a fan of the Pullmantur livery either - to me it is very amateurish looking and as a rule I do not like it when a cruise line's name is plastered across the hull like that. Also it is rather inconsistently applied - e.g. look at the "Pullmantur Cruises" font on OCEANIC and then on ZENITH. The overall result is not something that looks very professional and I can't say it's very attractive either... Though I will concede that ZENITH looks better than her poor sister does in the dreadful Island Cruises livery and indeed, OCEANIC II looked better as such than she did as MONA LISA, unquestionably the worst cruise ship livery I have ever seen.


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