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dougnewman
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posted 09-29-2007 03:07 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Some not entirely unexpected news from Star Cruises.

As usual with Star the guessing game now begins as to who has actually bought the ship! My guess is that she has been acquired by Club Cruise for Phoenix Reisen as I believe Club Cruise already has a contract to deliver another ship to Phoenix as soon as it can find a suitable one.

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STAR CRUISES SELLS SUPERSTAR GEMINI

AS PART OF FLEET OPTIMISATION PLAN

Star Cruises today announced the sale of the SuperStar Gemini which is to be concluded in the following weeks. SuperStar Gemini will be chartered back from the new owner until December 2008 to continue offering her cruise itineraries before being handed over to the new owner. SuperStar Gemini is presently owned by Star Cruises along with the Asian fleet of other mid-sized ships such as the SuperStar Virgo, SuperStar Aquarius, SuperStar Libra, Star Pisces, Megastar Taurus, Megastar Aries and Wasa Queen, of which she has been part since 1995.

“SuperStar Gemini has an extremely loyal following especially from the Australians as it is a truly unique ship that offers an ambience that is filled with a very personalised level of service and genuine warmth and hospitality. The crew onboard are very dedicated and many repeat guests have fondly commented that it really does feel like they are part of an extended family onboard, and this is what keeps them coming back time and time again." said Mr. David Chua, Star Cruises’ President.

“The sale is part of the company’s fleet optimisation plan in line with the realization of new growth opportunities in the region. Such a need to sell or replace selected ships in the fleet will occur as and when opportunities from potential buyers arise to enable us to acquire bigger, better vessels as well as to renew and further enhance our products and services to better cater to our guests’ needs.” he further added. “An example is the arrival of the SuperStar Aquarius recently in June this year to Hong Kong, with greater capacity and features to cater to the needs and tastes of our guests.”

Apart from the future growth potential with renewed and bigger capacities and features of ships, Star Cruises will now be able to focus on further improvements to its current ships such as the SuperStar Virgo, SuperStar Aquarius, SuperStar Libra, with continuous innovation and improvement of personalised services, ongoing new activities and world-class themes and performances. Star Cruises is the pioneer of the industry in this region for more than a decade, it has the local knowledge and depth of experience to know and understand what each guest's needs are in order to provide them with the best cruise experience in the region.

SuperStar Gemini currently offers 7, 10, 11 and 21-night cruises from Singapore to destinations in South East Asia before moving Downunder to Australia where her ardent fans are in November for three months. In Australia, she will do two full circumnavigations of the continent, creating many memorable itineraries taking in ports of call such as Perth, Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Cairns, Darwin and others. The decision to deploy the ship for three months Downunder during some of the very best cruising conditions, the Australian Summer, was largely due and in response to the huge popularity of SuperStar Gemini with the Australian market. On returning to Singapore, she will continue with the ever popular 7-night Straits of Malacca cruises as well as another six 10, 11 and 21-night cruises taking in Thailand, Vietnam, China, Hong Kong and Malaysia.

At 19,093 gross tonnes, SuperStar Gemini is a world-class cruise ship with international and Asian dining, world-class entertainment and recreational facilities. Her facilities include a swimming pool, restaurants and bars, hair salon, spa, well-appointed karaoke rooms and much more to cater to all types of passengers, young and old, singles, couples and families.

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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 09-29-2007 03:38 PM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Doug,

she has been sold to the Clipper Group and ISP has been appointed to manage the ship as well as seek charter-hire.

Tim


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dougnewman
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posted 09-29-2007 03:51 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Clipper Group - now that's not one I'd thought of!

It will be interesting to see who charters her.


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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 09-29-2007 03:56 PM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dougnewman:
It will be interesting to see who charters her.

I know of a few interested parties whom I'm sure will provide a nice home and future employment for her.

Tim


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PamM
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posted 09-29-2007 04:30 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe FOCL. If she's not available until the end of 2008, they will have had Balmoral up and cruising for a while and time to say Cheerio to Black Prince.

Pam


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r.fiebig
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posted 09-29-2007 04:36 PM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dougnewmanatsea:
I believe Club Cruise already has a contract to deliver another ship to Phoenix as soon as it can find a suitable one.

Hi Doug,

that ship is "Jules Verne" aka "Alexander von Humboldt" (II). I am told that Club Cruise is looking for a (smaller) replacement ship for Vision Cruceros.


Best,

Raoul


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dougnewman
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posted 09-29-2007 04:37 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tim in 'Lauderdale:
I know of a few interested parties whom I'm sure will provide a nice home and future employment for her.

I can think of a number who might be interested, though one wonders whether they will want ISP as manager.

The most obvious to me would be Voyages of Discovery whose parent company just sold £10m worth of stock on the AIM. That said I am not sure if she would be suitable for the sort of itineraries they do.

I suppose Phoenix may be interested, probably not Transocean as they have just gotten MARCO POLO... Vision Cruceros is in need of a new ship but I imagine this one is too big. And I understand Travelplan would like a running mate for NEW FLAMENCO...

Am I warm with any of these ?

quote:
Originally posted by r.fiebig:
that ship is "Jules Verne" aka "Alexander von Humboldt" (II). I am told that Club Cruise is looking for a (smaller) replacement ship for Vision Cruceros.

You are certainly the expert here but I was under the impression Phoenix was actually looking for a fifth ship, in addition to the replacement of AvH. But I defer to your better knowledge of this particular subject .

[ 09-29-2007: Message edited by: dougnewman ]


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r.fiebig
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posted 09-29-2007 05:33 PM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Doug,

it is obvious that Phoenix has been looking for a "Maxim Gorkiy" replacement. I know this might be considered a contradiction to earlier reports that the old lady might very well sail beyond 2010, but it isn't. However, it appears that she won't be doing so for Phoenix but probably for a different, new German operator.

There have been reports that Phoenix might be interested in "Artemis", which would be a fabulous addition, IMHO. I cannot believe Artemis is about to turn 25 in a couple of years. Boy, she really was ahead of her time.

There has even been speculation that Phoenix is looking into ordering a newbuild.

What I can say for sure is that Phoenix will continue to expand its fleet at a reasonable pace.


Best,

Raoul


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dougnewman
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posted 09-29-2007 06:24 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by r.fiebig:
I know this might be considered a contradiction to earlier reports that the old lady might very well sail beyond 2010, but it isn't. However, it appears that she won't be doing so for Phoenix but probably for a different, new German operator.

Interesting. I cannot help but wonder which operator that might be. I cannot imagine why Phoenix would want to let her go to a competitor - surely that would involve a great number of their customers moving over as well?

quote:
Originally posted by r.fiebig:
There have been reports that Phoenix might be interested in "Artemis", which would be a fabulous addition, IMHO.

In the event that she comes up for sale I imagine Fred. Olsen might be interested as well... And perhaps others.

I have heard she is not doing very well at P&O and I do wonder just how long she will stay there? She does not seem to have been able to gain much of a following among P&O passengers and while she had many fans at Princess virtually none of them seem to have tried her as a P&O ship (presumably as many were American).


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Corey H.
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posted 09-29-2007 10:06 PM      Profile for Corey H.   Email Corey H.   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe Pullmantur?
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Tom Burke
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posted 09-30-2007 04:43 AM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I have heard she is not doing very well at P&O and I do wonder just how long she will stay there?

This is purely anecdotal, but on a ship visit to Oceana in summer 2006 our hostess suggested that Artemis appealed to a specific set of passengers, viz. the older ones. Given that P&O has been attempting to broaden their appeal, there is perhaps a mixed message here.

There may be other reasons. I've had several good looks over the deck plans of Artemis, and there seem to be a lot of cabins with obstructed views. Then there's also a deck of cabins with views onto the Promenade - and therefore presumably views from the Prom into the cabins!

Royal Princess may have sign-posted the way the industry was going with all-outside cabins, but more recent implementations of the concept have perhaps done it better. In this regard she does look a bit dated; could this be a cause of her unpopularity (if it exists)?


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Rex
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posted 09-30-2007 05:07 AM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
Maybe FOCL. If she's not available until the end of 2008, they will have had Balmoral up and cruising for a while and time to say Cheerio to Black Prince.

Pam


A replacement for Black Prince? You think so??? Is Black Prince over 40????


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Karsten
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posted 09-30-2007 06:30 AM      Profile for Karsten   Author's Homepage   Email Karsten   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
She would be a great addition for FRED OLSEN... as she is a sister ship of BRAEMAR. And BLACK PRINCE will leave the fleet in the near future... and FOCL would have the chance to lenghten her using the same plans as for the lenghtening of BRAEMAR
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posted 09-30-2007 07:14 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Rex:

A replacement for Black Prince? You think so??? Is Black Prince over 40????


I don't think Olsen will replace the 'Black Prince' in the short term.

'Balmoral' and 'Braemar' are both being stretched. Even with the loss of 'Black Prince' Olsen will increase the number of berths.

[ 09-30-2007: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]


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Karsten
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posted 09-30-2007 09:09 AM      Profile for Karsten   Author's Homepage   Email Karsten   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
BLACK PRINCE will not leave the fleet within the next months.. but FRED OLSEN said that the ship will not be upgraded ...

I do not know where I read it in a longer article, but I only find this information here (but only one sentence).

So lately 2010 will be the end ... in FOCL-fleet.


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posted 09-30-2007 05:37 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Capitals36:
Maybe Pullmantur?

I would not expect to see her go to Pullmantur, as it seems that company is now standardizing on much larger vessels, with every ship in its 2008 line-up carrying well over 1,000 passengers.

A Spanish member on another group has suggested Iberojet but I imagine future ships there will come from the Carnival group... But stranger things have happened!

It would certainly be interesting to see her go to a Spanish operator as she is of course one of the very few cruise ships to have been built in Spain!

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Burke:
This is purely anecdotal, but on a ship visit to Oceana in summer 2006 our hostess suggested that Artemis appealed to a specific set of passengers, viz. the older ones.

Indeed but one wonders how many of these passengers have actually stayed with P&O rather than go to Fred. Olsen or even Saga?

I know many former P&O passengers who do not cruise with P&O any more - neither ARTEMIS nor any of the other ships appeal to them. (Well, some actually like AURORA and/or ORIANA but they will not sail with P&O for other reasons.)

Fred. Olsen in particular seems absolutely full of former P&O passengers.

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Burke:
Royal Princess may have sign-posted the way the industry was going with all-outside cabins, but more recent implementations of the concept have perhaps done it better.

I do not even think she sign-posted the way forward in that respect, given the fact that very few other large ships have been built with all-outside cabins. It is true that new ships largely have very few inside cabins (certainly fewer than most ships built in the 1980s) but with the exception of so-called "all-suite" luxury ships the number that has none is very small.

The real innovation of ROYAL PRINCESS - albeit far less hyped than the all-outside cabins - was in the location of the public rooms on the lower decks, and in her being the very first ship to offer standard cabins with balconies.

From what I have seen she does look rather dated in some areas, especially the public rooms which appear quite bland (and which are too few and too large - not enough smaller, more intimate spaces for the British market), but the basic framework of her layout is more modern than most ships built in the ten years after her, and with an appropriate refit I am sure most traces of "dated-ness" could be easily abolished.

quote:
Originally posted by Rex:
A replacement for Black Prince? You think so??? Is Black Prince over 40????

BLACK PRINCE is now 41 and has had a very, very hard life. While no retirement date has been announced I do not think Fred. Olsen has made any secret of the fact that she will have to go sooner or later. She has had an endless string of mechanical problems lately and moreover she will not meet the new SOLAS requirements coming in force in 2010.

In addition to her age, mechanical problems and regulatory issues she is also growing increasingly isolated in the Fred. Olsen fleet, the other vessels (even BLACK WATCH and BOUDICCA which are not actually that much newer in years) being far larger and far more modern. As Fred. Olsen expands there will come a point where the fleet simply cannot contain a vessel like this that, despite her charms and her loyal followings, is far below modern standards.

[ 09-30-2007: Message edited by: dougnewman ]


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posted 10-01-2007 03:04 AM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
BLACK PRINCE is now 41 and has had a very, very hard life. While no retirement date has been announced I do not think Fred. Olsen has made any secret of the fact that she will have to go sooner or later. She has had an endless string of mechanical problems lately.....

She's broken at the moment, in fact: propulsion problems occurred, the cruise was terminated on 19 September and passengers repatriated from Algeciras "either by air, or overland". She's being repaired in dry-dock (location?). The next two cruises were cancelled: BP721 - 21/9, 2-night mini-cruise; and BP722 - 23/9, 13-night cruise to the W. Med. The next scheduled cruise is BP723 on 6 october, 13-nights to the Canaries. Fred Olsen say "Information relating to future Black Prince sailings will be available in the near future".


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posted 10-01-2007 03:43 AM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Although it would be nice to see the SUPERSTAR GEMINI pair up with her sister BREAMAR, I do not believe FOCL will need additional capacity in the near future. Once BALMORAL enters service and the BREAMAR gets stretched, FOCL's capacity will nearly increase by 30%...

Earlier, Louis Cruises has said they are seeking to purchase a newer ship built in the 90s. SS GEMINI's passenger capacity might not fit the bill, but she can be delivered in early 2009 - around the time frame Louis plans to sell their classic liners... Louis interested in newer ships.


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posted 10-01-2007 03:49 AM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tom,

well, "propulsion problems" were the reason for the ship being broken at this time. While in transit of the Korinth Canal, one of her propellers was damaged. So, this is actually not your typical "ship breaking down" propulsion problem but the result of an accident that could happen to any ship, any time.

She is currently in dry-dock at Blohm + Voss shipyard in Hamburg.


Best,

Raoul


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posted 10-01-2007 05:29 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dougnewman:
As Fred. Olsen expands there will come a point where the fleet simply cannot contain a vessel like this that, despite her charms and her loyal followings, is far below modern standards.

Nigal Lingard, Olsen’s Marketing Director revealed several interesting facts at a lecture to the OLS in 2006:

‘Black Prince’ is still one of Olsen’s most popular ships. She regularly sells-out. Olsen finds her an ideal size to experiment with new itineraries that may have unknown demand. She has under 500 berths so there is no the pressure to have to sell 1000 berths, providing less financial risk.

Although he cabins are small and outdated, the public rooms seem to be perfectly adequate for the guests requirements. Given the fact that many of Olsen’s regulars are elderly, they find her easy to get around the Black Prince. In fact I’ve heard Olsen passengers say that ‘Baremar’ is too big!

These facts do not change the fact that her days are numbered, of course.

[ 10-01-2007: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]


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dougnewman
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quote:
Originally posted by Waynaro:
Although it would be nice to see the SUPERSTAR GEMINI pair up with her sister BREAMAR, I do not believe FOCL will need additional capacity in the near future. Once BALMORAL enters service and the BREAMAR gets stretched, FOCL's capacity will nearly increase by 30%...

It's true that Fred. Olsen's capacity will increase quite substantially next year, but look at how P&O's capacity will increase between now and 2010 with two 3,000 passenger ships coming!

My understanding is that Fred. Olsen considers it vital to acquire another ship by 2010. Without doing so its UK market share will inevitably drop.

quote:
Originally posted by Waynaro:
Earlier, Louis Cruises has said they are seeking to purchase a newer ship built in the 90s.

Indeed, but in this case she would apparently have to be chartered from Clipper Group - and be managed by ISP, no less. (That would be really ironic since Louis is a leader in ship management itself.)

I believe Louis would like to have NORWEGIAN MAJESTY, though Star Cruises may have other plans for her.

[ 10-01-2007: Message edited by: dougnewman ]


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ARTEMIS has two major problems....there are no intimate public rooms to speak of....all very vast and seem to lack warmth. The other is the terrible standard double cabins which are so narrow that when the beds are down, it's nearly impossible to move around the cabin. One or both of the beds fold up during the day, but at night it's a difficult task to move about.
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