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nycruiser
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posted 06-18-2008 07:13 AM      Profile for nycruiser   Email nycruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here it is:

Norwegian Cruise Line (NCL) took their “Freestyle Cruising” to a whole new level — a nightclub level that is.

“World hold on, F3 is coming your way,” boasted Colin Veitch, NCL’s president and CEO. The line showcased five distinct nighttime experiences specifically designed for NCL’s new F3 ships, the first to be launched in 2010. “There is nothing ordinary about these ships. The F3s are unconventionally extraordinary,” said Veitch. He added that the F3 won’t have massive void spaces and rooms only used for one thing. Each nightclub space will have multiple uses - sunning, bowling, dining and, of course, hip night club atmosphere.

Here’s what NCL has in store:

NCL’s Ice Bar — a chill out chat up venue that is inspired by the original ice bars and ice hotels in Scandinavia. “This will be the industry’s first true ice bar,” said Veitch. The area on Deck 7 is a frozen chamber of iced vodka where the centerpiece is a giant ice cube that glows and changes colors. Ice Bar will accommodate 25 guests who will be given fur coats, gloves and hats since the rooms temperature will not rise above 17 degrees Fahrenheit. To enter, guests will pay a cover charge — NCL says it has not yet determined the price.

POSH Beach Club - With a South Beach vibe by day and night the venue will change to encompass four unique cover charge experiences:
POSH Vive - From 6 to 9 am can partake in yoga classes and treatments in private cabanas.
POSH Rehab - From 9 am till noon, guests can relax and recover from a hard night of partying with specialty drinks and chill out tunes
POSH Sol - From noon till 6 pm, guests can lounge on day beds and enjoy a beach-themed atmosphere.
Pure POSH - Echoing the famous Las Vegas nightclub at Caesar’s Palace this venue will have a Vegas vibe where guests and drink and dance under the stars.

Halo, the Uber Bar — Garden and Courtyard Villa guests have exclusive VIP access to this venue, other guests will pay a cover charge. This venue sets atop the ship on Deck 16 and will showcase the ship’s best art and jewelry (modeled by servers) that can be purchased.

Bliss Ultra Lounge and Nightclub - Already popular on the Norwegian Gem and Norwegian Pearl, this bowling club by day hot bed club by night will also be onboard the new F3 ships.

Spice H2O — Is an aft-pool area like none other. Like the POSH club Spice will feature four unique experiences. Inspired by Latin and Asian flare the adults-only area will encompass a huge LED screen with various themes:
Sunny Spice — 8 am to 11 am — Spicy drinks and breakfast.
Aqua Spice — Sun and fun and a little Chinese take out.
Sunset Spice — Guarantees a perfect sunset everyday rain or shine.
All Spice — Offering a show of aqua ballet and dancing.

Again, NCL has not determined the pricing for each venue; however, the company says it will offer a “Beyond the Velvet Rope” package for all clubs.

[ 06-18-2008: Message edited by: joe at travelpage ]


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Matts
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posted 06-18-2008 07:25 AM      Profile for Matts     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmm - Well I suppose its different. Although isn't the Martimi bar on Century called an Ice Bar? At least the countertop is frozen even if the full thing isn't.

So as one trundles around the caribbean one will be able to don fur coat, gloves and hat and go for a drink. Ok.

And basically the extension of the freestyle concept is more spaces I have to pay to go in, and more music everywhere.

I wonder if the cruise fare will be free given all the other open your wallet opportunities onboard


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posted 06-18-2008 07:30 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, it seems that one must pay extra to enjoy all of these special venues and amenities. Those things are sure to draw lots of attention, but I think the reality is that they are quite small venues on a huge ship, (25 person capacity in the specialty Ice Bar, out of thousands on board?) No wonder a cover will be charged, just for bragging rights about the exclusive experience!

Rich


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-18-2008 07:43 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Matts:
I wonder if the cruise fare will be free given all the other open your wallet opportunities onboard

I could certainly see a line one day selling cruises at a very minimal fare and using smart cards to allow passengers to pay for every individual meal etc.


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posted 06-18-2008 07:51 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:
Those things are sure to draw lots of attention, but I think the reality is that they are quite small venues on a huge ship, (25 person capacity in the specialty Ice Bar, out of thousands on board?)

Yes gimmicks can sell cruises. How many people can use an RCI flow rider per hour, let alone stand up!


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PamM
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posted 06-18-2008 08:02 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes with only 25 people the Ice Bar has to have a cover charge. The 'Ice Bar' on Century is nothing of the sort, a mere few beer towel sized areas on the counter where they place the drinks when served, covered in a thin layer of ice.

Will those requiring "Rehab" really be up at 9am and wish for a speciality drink Aqua ballet - will need a deep pool then.

They already do Malcolm, a number in Hong Kong & the US Casino ships.

Pam


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NAL
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posted 06-18-2008 08:16 AM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Am sure these features will be popular with many,but for me, I will cruise elsewhere. I am too old-fashioned for this and for which I am very happy.
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posted 06-18-2008 08:48 AM      Profile for Atlcruiser   Email Atlcruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So far what has been revealed does not appeal to me at all. First I did not care for the new cabin design due to the placement of the bathroom.

Now we see the night clubs will carry a surcharge to use them. This sounds like they are moving to a Easy Cruise type experience.


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Carlos Fernandez
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posted 06-18-2008 08:50 AM      Profile for Carlos Fernandez   Author's Homepage   Email Carlos Fernandez   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow, so this is it, that was a waste of my time all night waiting for something really innovative for the F3 and all I get are nightclubs . I fell in luck and while waiting for the F3 announcement I saw the Oasis of the Seas video instead .
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-18-2008 09:00 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Reading the Press Release agian, much of it makes little sense to me? Are they using English? There is very little detail.

What's all this POSH and Spice thing mean?

Who wants a "Spicy drinks and breakfast"?

Does 'Rehab' replace the Friends of Bill W Meetings?

Staff modeling Jewlery? What's next, selling locks of the Captain's hair?


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posted 06-18-2008 09:03 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The main nightclub does not have a cover charge, nor the adults only area. The Ice Bar does, the Uber Bar [fair enough it's for Villa guests but others can have acces] and the Beach Club which would be the same on other ships, just this has a multi functional purpose.

Whatever the charges, I have yet to come across a hotel which offers a cheaper night's stay for the same amenities, and most [all?] nightclubs charge for entry on land.

Ships are just becoming more land resort type accommodation, without floating they will soon be the same. One's own choice how one wants to spend one's money aboard. Some will argue why should their fare pay for an evening show for others when it's the last thing they want themselves, and so it can go on and get silly. Others will moan at paying for nightclubs when they never have and never wish to step inside one.

If the basic fare is acceptable then people won't mind paying for the individual forms of 'entertainment' to suit them, as one does on land.

I am not sure I am interested in any of these large ships as ships, but I will 'test' them for a few nights to see. But why should I pay for anything aboard when all I want is a deck chair and a piece of deckspace to place it

Pam


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posted 06-18-2008 09:03 AM      Profile for Atlcruiser   Email Atlcruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Carlos Fernandez:
Wow, so this is it, that was a waste of my time all night waiting for something really innovative for the F3 and all I get are nightclubs . I fell in luck and while waiting for the F3 announcement I saw the Oasis of the Seas video instead .


Someone posted the link last night on one of the other boards and I just ignored it thinking that it was the same two videos that were originally posted on the site. I read this morning that the video confirmed the Boardwalk with a Carousel, Aqua Theater, loft suites, a larger Royal Promenade and a few other things. What else did you see Carlos?


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Fairsky
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posted 06-18-2008 09:25 AM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As NCL (and other lines) continue to add surcharges, and as people grow tired of being screwed by extra fees everywhere they go ($15 to check a bag!), there will be a new opportunity for a truly all-inclusive cruise product.

NCL, I'm unimpressed.


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PamM
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posted 06-18-2008 09:32 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There are just too many people for an all-inclusive to work. Fine for smaller vessels, but I seriously doubt it could be made to work on anything with so many different amentities aboard. The whole passenger complement would descend on the most popular venues. Which is exactly why a charge had to be brought in for Johnny Rockets.

The big ships have no other option but to charge piecemeal.. imho of course.

Pam


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Fairsky
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posted 06-18-2008 09:51 AM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I see your point, Pam. But how about another option. I can see a few premium spaces on a ship (a restaurant or spa), but when more activities on the ship include a surcharge than don't, that's a problem.

NCL should give each passenger "points" that can be used onboard however they wish. For example, a passenger booked in a standard cabin might get 100 points. They might use 10 at a specialty restaurant and 20 at the Ice Bar. But once their points are gone, then they'd have to pay an additional surcharge. Passenger's booked in a minisuite might get 200 points. Etc.

I'd still prefer an all-inclusive cruise with only two or three surcharged venues, but this point system is better than getting charged everytime you walk into a room on F3.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-18-2008 10:08 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
...it's swings and roundabouts.

I paid a pretty low fare by UK standards, for my recent NCL cruise. It was lower than similar RCI fares for similar cruises. However, I spent more onboard than I would on an RCI cruise, mainly due to the surcharge dining. However the grand total was probably not dissimilar from an RCI cruise with expenditure.

The adavantage of low fares with surcharges is that if you are on a budget you can avoid many of the surcharges. They are optional!

I tried nearly all of the alternative surcharge dining rooms - many twice. Other passengers only used the free ones. I never paid for a speciality coffee other passengers did regularly.

All-inclusive could mean that you are paying fo rstuff that you do not want to use or consume. For example, if you are a non-drinker or are happy with modest food.

It's all about profit but there is still a big element of choice on board NCL ships: surely more dining choices than any other cruise line.

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posted 06-18-2008 10:31 AM      Profile for Atlcruiser   Email Atlcruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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posted 06-18-2008 10:48 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is the problem with NCL, they make a big spiel about their announcement and it turns out to be - well boring, in fact what they do with these sort of announcements is emable potential pax to raise objections - as happened here - more extras to pay for instance. Their PR is severely behind the competition - in fact it is just bad. I htink the leadership at NCL really needs some new blood.

Contrast this to tomorrows announcement, I suspect the discussion will be very different in tone.

Sorry NCL you would have been better saying nothing.


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I'm with Pam here. I'll give the ships a go but these paid for amenities are not appealing to me so much. I can see why its done though, it just seems NCL is taking it all further.

I notice that the 'Spice' adults pool and party area at night image looks an awful lot like something from an Aida ship. Except with it being right at the stern of the ship presumably other nearby vessels will be able to join in too!


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posted 06-18-2008 11:56 AM      Profile for Atlcruiser   Email Atlcruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The fact that the F3 ships will not have a traditional dining room, lido dining room or theater makes me wonder if most of the venues are going to require a fee/surcharge to enter?

[ 06-18-2008: Message edited by: Atlcruiser ]


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quote:
Originally posted by mike sa:
This is the problem with NCL, they make a big spiel about their announcement and it turns out to be - well boring, in fact....

I personally do not think NCL’s introduction of two 150,000 ton ships is not remotely boring. A few years ago our jaws would have dropped at such a though.

NCL are not everyone’s cup of tea, they are very firmly mass market, but they are not boring. Their existing newbuilds are genuinely innovative and ‘Freestyle’, love it or hate it was quite an industry revelation in its approach. I bet all of the major cruise lines will adopt such a system in the future. (Will Oasis have just one main dining room, I doubt it).

Oasis's big hole in the middle with a a few trees and grass does not look quite so exciting in the construction images!


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posted 06-18-2008 12:03 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by mike sa:
Contrast this to tomorrows announcement, I suspect the discussion will be very different in tone.

Without a doubt. It's Daggers-in for NCL and a Love-in for RCI on CT, no matter what either PR Dept say or do.

Pam


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posted 06-18-2008 12:20 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:

Without a doubt. It's Daggers-in for NCL and a Love-in for RCI on CT, no matter what either PR Dept say or do.

Pam


Exactly. Not every event to promote a ship has to be about 'innovations' and one can hardly blame NCL for promoting their ship.


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Let's let time and results be the judge between NCL and RCI. For now I'll put my bet on RCI. There is a reason Star sold NCL, and why their Hawaii operation failed, and why the line has been financially unstable for over a decade: NCL's management, vision, and leadership has been terrible.

Freestyle is simply their latest attempt to turn things around. I'm not convinced, having sailed on NCL last year, that it will work. I wouldn't be surprised to see Apollo conduct a major shakeup of the managment team after the F3 ships launch.


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This is something I am supposed to pay extra for? All of the new renderings make the rooms look extremely cluttered. I am not sure if it just the over zealous cutting and pasting of people or the design of the spaces themsevles.


POSH at night.

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