Welcome to Cruise Talk the Internet's most popular discussion forum dedicated to cruising. Stop by Cruise Talk anytime to post a message or find out what your fellow passengers and industry insiders are saying about a particular ship, cruise line or destination.
>>> Reader Reviews >>> CruisePage.com Photo Gallery >>> Join Our Cruise Club.
Latest News...Disney Cruise Line announced today that the honorary role of "godparent" for its new ship, the Disney Treasure, will be held by The Walt Disney Company cast, crew, Imagineers and employees around the world. The profound declaration is a heartfelt tribute to the more than 200,000 dreamers and doers who make every Disney entertainment, vacation and at-home experience possible. Disney Cruise Line is proud to celebrate...
Latest News...Carnival Cruise Line is adding to its line-up of 2026/27 deployment with sailings from New York City on Carnival Venezia, and more Long Beach sailings on Carnival Firenze and Carnival Radiance. “Our two Carnival Fun Italian Style ships offer great options from the east and west coasts, conveniently connecting New York and Long Beach to popular destinations, while delivering unique experiences on board...
Latest News...Vacationers are in for more ways to make memories across Royal Caribbean’s latest combination of tropical and Northeast 2026-27 getaways. The lineup of 12 Royal Caribbean ships rounds out a variety of adventures across Florida, Texas, Puerto Rico and the Northeast for every type of family and vacationer to get away any time of year. Crown & Anchor Society loyalty members...
Ernie
quote:Originally posted by eroller:Dare I say the hull looks white! Ernie
Oh brother, another hull argument will ensue...
Theship is really starting to take shape and the renderings are being portrayed in the real thing.cruiseshipluver
quote:Originally posted by cruiseshipluver:...The ship is really starting to take shape and the renderings are being portrayed in the real thing.cruiseshipluver
I still think the renderings greatly exagerate the size of Central Park.
The even appear to have digitally "stretched" this rendering to make it appear larger:
Here's the same view of the real thing:
I am not sure where they will be able to fit all the trees and greenery that appears in the rendering.
The renderings for Boardwalk and AquaTheatre are even more exagerated.
I realize there is always a difference between renderings and the finished product but I think the difference in scale here is significant.
Joe at TravelPage.com
It's just the light, angle and dye lot variation.
quote:Originally posted by joe at travelpage:I am not sure where they will be able to fit all the trees and greenery that appears in the rendering.Joe at TravelPage.com
Well I agree with you here. The thing is that they are not normal sized trees. They appear to be safari type trees that you would find going on the African plains. Maybe that is RCI's ploy to make the space look even larger than it really will be?cruiseshipluver
quote:Originally posted by joe at travelpage:I still think the renderings greatly exagerate the size of Central Park. The even appear to have digitally "stretched" this rendering to make it appear larger:Here's the same view of the real thing:I am not sure where they will be able to fit all the trees and greenery that appears in the rendering.The renderings for Boardwalk and AquaTheatre are even more exagerated. I realize there is always a difference between renderings and the finished product but I think the difference in scale here is significant. Joe at TravelPage.com
You are definitely right that the difference between rendering and reality is huge. No matter what kind of vegetation they put in but they have to dramatically reduce that. In the rendering you have greenery to the side of the glass canopy (roof of Royal Promenade) and then a walk way. There is no way that this can be accomplished.
I tell you what, a lot of people will be rather disappointed how tight this ship is actually going to be.
And the balconies are so close to each other across CP that it will be no fun sitting on them.
quote:Originally posted by FL_Cruiser64:I tell you what, a lot of people will be rather disappointed how tight this ship is actually going to be.
I think we should wait until Dec. 09 after the first passengers return to make any judgements.
quote:Originally posted by Carlos Fernandez:I think we should wait until Dec. 09 after the first passengers return to make any judgements.
Why?
Every other new ship has been examined under a microscope prior to the maiden voyage, I don't see why Oasis should be any different.
There is a big difference between 'judging' a ship and discussing photos and renderings which is certainly perfectly adequate for a forum like this - and there is indeed some discrepancy between the photos and the renderings posted here.
quote:Originally posted by Ernst:There is a big difference between 'judging' a ship and discussing photos and renderings which is certainly perfectly adequate for a forum like this - and there is indeed some discrepancy between the photos and the renderings posted here.
Maybe a 40% difference Reminds me a little of the old renderings (though not nearly as exaggerated) of ocean liners w/tiny tugs and boats surrounding them-all to give the impression of a huge ship.
I'm just impressed with the width of the ship. That is going to be a lot of interior space to fill on the lower decks. It will be interesting to see how they utilize the space.
quote:Originally posted by joe at travelpage:Why?Every other new ship has been examined under a microscope prior to the maiden voyage, I don't see why Oasis should be any different. Joe at TravelPage.com
Because you can't predict the future say a ship is tight and people will be disappointed if you and nobody else has been on the ship yet. It's not only with Oasis but with every other future new build. It's like saying a mattress is uncomfortable and you haven't slept on it.
The real space does seem smaller than what the renderings depict but that does not mean people will be disappointed with the space or the whole ship because of this. If you look at the image of CP Waynaro posted you can see that the width of the space is not overly exaggerated in the renderings, there is also a lot of scaffolding and construction material which is taking some space away.
This project is an enormous undertaking and the fact that RCI is stepping into uncharted land with this can be come a failure, but after years of planning I don’t think this will be the case, we'll have to wait and see. People though that Voyager of the Seas was going to be too much, but almost ten years and 8 ships later it has proven to be one of the most successful ship-class ever built. They do have their flaws but doesn’t everything.
Just my opinion.
quote:Originally posted by Frosty 4:This ship looks top heavy. It will have a few more decks than current cruise ships. Won't the ship have to have bigger stabilizers because of this?I don't think I'd like to encounter a "rogue wave" on this ship. I wonder if the overall draft is deeper?[...]
What mainly matters is that she is wider. Only a small increase in width dramatically increases the uprighting torque - and she is quite a bit wider. (changing the draft is far less efficient for increasing the uprighting torque) Giving the size of this ship she is probably better off when encountering a large wave than any other passenger ship since she is larger than any other passenger ship.
[ 07-23-2008: Message edited by: Ernst ]
quote:Originally posted by Carlos Fernandez:Because you can't predict the future say a ship is tight and people will be disappointed if you and nobody else has been on the ship yet. It's not only with Oasis but with every other future new build. It's like saying a mattress is uncomfortable and you haven't slept on it.The real space does seem smaller than what the renderings depict but that does not mean people will be disappointed with the space or the whole ship because of this. If you look at the image of CP Waynaro posted you can see that the width of the space is not overly exaggerated in the renderings, there is also a lot of scaffolding and construction material which is taking some space away. This project is an enormous undertaking and the fact that RCI is stepping into uncharted land with this can be come a failure, but after years of planning I don’t think this will be the case, we'll have to wait and see. People though that Voyager of the Seas was going to be too much, but almost ten years and 8 ships later it has proven to be one of the most successful ship-class ever built. They do have their flaws but doesn’t everything. Just my opinion.
Believe me, despite not being an Oasis fan, I want Oasis to succeed. For one: it puts all those vacationers onto Oasis and leaves the cruise ships to the cruisers and secondly, if Oasis is not a success that means my favorite cruise line will go belly up and Mr Arison will be successful the second time around.
All I hear is how great this ship is and how successful it will be. People forget that RCI has absolutely no margin of error. Since 1999 they build 13 Mega ships (4 Radiance Class, 5 Voyager Class and 4 Freedom Class) with 2 one billion dollar ships currently being build.
Before they build cruise ships - big ones, but cruise ships nevertheless and added a couple of innovations along the the line.
Oasis and Allure are not cruise ships. They basically resorts. Sure by definition they are cruise ships but not by tradition. It will attract vacationers who hardly spent money onboard. You see it already on ships everywhere. People have leftover OBC at the end of a 7 Night cruise. They carry their own cases of water and their own soda to save a couple of dollars. Families share a soda card which is a lousy $6/day to save a couple of bucks. That is the reality.
Do you know how bad Oasis is being viewed? I have yet to find one on board personnel who actually wants to be on that ship - and I cruise a lot and I chat a lot with people on the ships.
I am an RCI cheerleader but I am not a Fain fan. He is not a good business man. His 'expertise' is ship design. That's his life, well his favorite anyways.
Have we all forgotten how RCI wanted to expand into Europe and had Costa hooked, just for Fain to let it slip away - to Carnival. Settled for debt laden Celebrity and couldn't even incorporate that line properly. Instead of letting Celebrity do their thing (like Carnival did with Costa) they closed offices in Europe to save a dime and merged personnel. But at the end, it just cost more money.
Have we forgotten how Fain had the deal with Princess in his pocket just to have himself pick pocketed by - Carnival. And Fain settled for Pullmantour - another second rated European cruise line.
Now RCI has to deploy more ships to Europe to somehow break into Carnival (Costa/Princess/Adia) territory. But how? With what ships? The Sovereign Class is all but gone: Sovereign this year, Monarch next year and Majesty a year later. Who is gonna take the place of the 3 and 4 Nighters? Vision Class? They are old too and most of the ships are deployed around the world.
Oasis and Allure are Fain's last attempt to right the ship. RCI is so heavy in debt and cash flow is low.
All this talk about the old ships are inefficient and are not money makers is a bunch of garbage. The Sovereign Class pulls in darn good money.
I've done the Majesty, Sovereign and the Monarch. The Sovereign and Majesty most of the time drive half speed and float in the early morning hours because of the closeness of the ports and the Monarch floats for an entire day. No engines, just floating, since Ensenada and the other ports are so close to LA. - can't be more efficient than that. The sell off is for cash flow only. And that is what worries me.
Oasis is the final straw and all that hoop of Oasis was because of renderings. If CP is just an indication of the difference between rendering and reality, yes, there will be a lot of pissed off people. The majority going on Oasis will like it but it is always the negative which makes the press.
With Oasis RCI will also split from its most loyal cruisers. No, not the ones who joined the cruising community after 2000 (which is the majority of cruisers) but those who started cruising in the 80s and 90s. Them and the locals are the guarantee for any cruise line to fill up their ships. But with the Sovereign Class disappearing and maybe the Vision Class as well who is gonna fill those ships in the last minute? Oh I forgot, there won't be any.
Oasis, in my opinion is 5 to 10 years to early. RCI would have been better served to rebuild or build a couple of smaller class ships first and establish itself solidly in the European market and maybe pay some of its debt of.
Do we really think that RCI would be the only ones being able to build a ship like that? Heck, Carnival could hire someone on the spot and say: design me something bigger and better, we have the money.
But they don't. Because they are not desperate. RCI's striving for innovation will be their own undoing one day and Arison gets his wish at a bargain price - unfortunately.
I am done with my rant.
Oh, yes, if people can predict a successful future of Oasis then people can also predict doom and gloom.
Just wait until the price tag on the staterooms are going to be released which of course does not include the $25 price tag for each specialty restaurant (per person per visit I may add). But hey, people can ride the carousel for free.
The honeymoon will be over after year 1. And that is the moment when we get the final bill.
[ 07-23-2008: Message edited by: FL_Cruiser64 ]
quote:Originally posted by Atlcruiser:Glad that we now have the same person over here telling us all what is going to happen to RCI in the future. Glad to see that someone knows Fain's job more than he does. LMAO!!!!!!
a) I voiced my opinionb) my opinion and my fear for RCI is based on historical facts (Costa, Princess, Arison's first take over attempt of RCI) and current situations (everybody knows that RCI is cash strapped and has a huge debt load)
I believe I can voice my opinion like everybody else. Don't carry your personal attacks over here. This site is a great site where one can voice an opinion without being attacked. Keep it on CC.
You trust Fain, I don't.
Neither you nor I know how the future will play out.
quote:Originally posted by dmwnc1:[QB]Something more like this then, instead of that? Kind of makes it more like a canyon instead of a park. Still, it will be an amazing space. Just hope the traffic flow isnt a probelm.
One would think that the Voyager and Freedom class would be packed on the Royal Promenade but 95% of the time it's not. Only when they have one of the parades or the Captains Cocktail party does it feel a little crowded. RCI does a great job in designing their ships to absorb the crowds. I don't see this ship being any different.
quote:Originally posted by FL_Cruiser64: People have leftover OBC at the end of a 7 Night cruise. They carry their own cases of water and their own soda to save a couple of dollars. [ 07-23-2008: Message edited by: FL_Cruiser64 ]
People have leftover OBC at the end of a 7 Night cruise. They carry their own cases of water and their own soda to save a couple of dollars.
As far as on board credit goes isn't that what the casino is for? hell we had $600 in on board credit left with 2 nights to go and i managed to go through it all...
do people actually use the water cases to bring water on? i mean i just empty them all out and use it to bring other drinks on board, hell they check listerine and shampoo bottles now but if you do a good job sealing the case back up you can bring whatever you want through in a case of water. Everyone that i know that brings a case of water with them is just using it to get alcohol through the bag checks...
Ultimate Bulletin BoardTM 6.1.0.3
More Vacation & Cruise Specials...