SAGA PEARL is a great name, but why must they add "2" - it's not as if (a) there's another cruise or indeed any other ship of that name and (b) the former SAGA PEARL was around long enough (2003-05) to cause confusion!

She should enter service in October 2009, at which point SAGA ROSE will be retired (a little earlier than previously thought).

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Originally posted by Aussie1:
There was some talk that Saga were hoping to build a new vessel in Korea to replace the Rose with traditional features, shear, wrap around promenade, teak decking etc. The Astoria does have teak decks so one out three ain't bad. It was to be Korea's break into the passenger ship business, although they have completed a few large ferries in the recent past.

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The difference is that RUBY is OK as far as SOLAS goes but ROSE isn't.

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Originally posted by PamM:
II or 2 - Remember it was written MINERVA II, but said MINERVA 2 - Perhaps it will be the same with SAGA PEARL.

Pam

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"Albert 2" it is never.

I think it is the same (in Dutch) for ships. 2 or II, it is said "(...)Two" or sometimes 'The Second(...)", but never"SS(...) The Second"

J

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Originally posted by Johan:

Hello,
is there a difference in the English language ?
In Dutch, here our King Albert II, is often said "Albert the Second", or "Albert Two"

"Albert 2" it is never.

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QUEEN ELIZABETH 2 was named after QUEEN ELIZABETH (the ship) and not Queen Elizabeth II (the Second), the present Queen of England. She would otherwise have been QUEEN ELIZABETH II.

SAGA PEARL 2 is more appropriate than SAGA PEARL II, which effectively means SAGA PEARL THE SECOND!

Note Silverseas have called their latest ship PRINCE ALBERT II (and not PRINCE ALBERT 2), after Prince Albert (the Second).

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Originally posted by ahrpd:

QUEEN ELIZABETH 2 was named after QUEEN ELIZABETH (the ship) and not Queen Elizabeth II (the Second), the present Queen of England. She would otherwise have been QUEEN ELIZABETH II.

SAGA PEARL 2 is more appropriate than SAGA PEARL II, which effectively means SAGA PEARL THE SECOND!

Note Silverseas have called their latest ship PRINCE ALBERT II (and not PRINCE ALBERT 2), after Prince Albert (the Second).

Tony

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So if Silverseas should have a successor to this ship, this would be the Prince Albert II 2 ?

I know it is said QE Two, and also QM Two.
If the ship was named after the present british queen, it should haven been QEII, but what do you say then, about the monarch . Queen Elizabeth the Second - you can't say Queen Elizabeth Two ? As in George Two - always Georg the Second or George the Third ? In Dutch it is both, but perhaps more The Second.

If i understand correctly, a ship can never have the latin numbers II or III, because that refers to a specific person. A second ship of the same name is always with the arabic numeral, 2, 3, 4 and so on ?

(sorry if this is a bit complicated, it is a complicated question, and English is not my mother tongue)

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Originally posted by Johan:

So if Silverseas should have a successor to this ship, this would be the Prince Albert II 2 ?

I know it is said QE Two, and also QM Two.
If the ship was named after the present british queen, it should haven been QEII, but what do you say then, about the monarch . Queen Elizabeth the Second - you can't say Queen Elizabeth Two ? As in George Two - always Georg the Second or George the Third ? In Dutch it is both, but perhaps more The Second.

Correct, they are ordinal numbers. Second, third, fourth and so on

If i understand correctly, a ship can never have the latin numbers II or III, because that refers to a specific person. A second ship of the same name is always with the arabic numeral, 2, 3, 4 and so on ?

As with everything in the English language there are numerous exceptions to any 'rule'. A ship can be called whatever you like, Monarchy, Popes, Baby Jr etc can't. Most other usage of either Roman numerals are customary eg books, volume numbers, TV programmes - there is no right/wrong there.

(sorry if this is a bit complicated, it is a complicated question, and English is not my mother tongue)

J

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It is complicated for everyone.

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Originally posted by ahrpd:
Taking ASTORIA out of Transocean service in April 2009 and not re-introducing her as SAGA PEARL 2 until six months later does appear rather a long time for a refit, even for one as extensive as outlined here: http://www.spiritofadventure.co.uk/quest.asp

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Originally posted by NAL:
Johan...as Pam said, it is not a hard and fast rule as to whether it's a Roman numeral or a cardinal number. Remember HAL uses Rotterdam V and Rotterdam VI. With QE2 and QM2 it is easy to see the reasoning because a ruling, or past ruling, monarch is involved as well as a liner. We would say Queen Elizabeth II [the second] for the Queen, and Queen Elizabeth 2 [two] for the liner. Oddly, most people write Rotterdam V, but actually say Rotterdam 5, but write it as V [fifth]. It's the same for Rotterdam VI. Now that is confusing!

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Nal HAL never say Rotterdam V or Rotterdam VI Always Rotterdam. HAL never named there ships after predecessors.

Greetings Ben.

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Originally posted by NAL:
When Rotterdam VI first came into service this was a name given to her by persons other than HAL.

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Originally posted by dougnewman:
HAL definitely used that name for a while to differentiate her from the existing ROTTERDAM. I have lots of examples of HAL-issued stuff that calls her ROTTERDAM VI... Even her inaugural book does.

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That's correct. Even on delivery VI was painted after her name.
When Rotterdam VI was in Rotterdam for the first time, I visited her and as the shops were open, I bought a T-shirt and a magnet to put ob the frig. Both say Rotterdam VI.

Somewhere I must have a photo of the ship with the name Rotterdam VI and Nassau as registered port.

Willem

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