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Pam
I would not be surprised if she is in a worse state than CLIPPER PACIFIC!
Tony
Apparently her previous Israeli owners pretty much let her go to you-know-what. And anyway she has got to be nearly twice the age she was designed to last.
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If she found her way to Greece with Louis next year, I would be there!
quote:Originally posted by dougnewman:And anyway she has got to be nearly twice the age she was designed to last.
At 38, she is up there in years, but still well within the projected lifespan of such a ship.
quote:Originally posted by dougnewman:CLIPPER PACIFIC is reportedly in decent cosmetic condition but pretty much shot behind the scenes.Apparently her previous Israeli owners pretty much let her go to you-know-what. And anyway she has got to be nearly twice the age she was designed to last.
quote:Originally posted by Waynaro:I wonder if she will be the first RCI ship headed for the scrap yard.
It is a shame since the Topaz was in excellent shape with plenty of life left in her. Goes to show how misguided rules SOLAS 2010 can ruin things. Fire hazard? how many have died in cruiseship/oceanliner fires in the past 50 years?
Hmmmm maybe Peaceboat could have had the Norwegian Dream
quote:Originally posted by Magic Pipe:At 38, she is up there in years, but still well within the projected lifespan of such a ship.
20 or 25 years is more like it.
Indeed, she is quite historic, the first vessel of a great cruise empire.
Where are the calls, "Save the SONG OF NORWAY"
quote:Originally posted by desirod7:It is a shame since the Topaz was in excellent shape with plenty of life left in her. Goes to show how misguided rules SOLAS 2010 can ruin things.
She didn't last long enough for SOLAS to kill her. That would have been in October 2010, her originally-planned retirement date.
She is not the only ship that people worried SOLAS would affect that has been or will be retired before it does - QE2 and SAGA ROSE would be prominent examples.
quote:Originally posted by desirod7:[...]Fire hazard? how many have died in cruiseship/oceanliner fires in the past 50 years?[...]
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Actually, quite some people died in fires aboard ships during the past 50 years.Beside that, regulations are of course not only based on ships.
quote:Originally posted by dougnewman:I really doubt when they were building this ship they expected her to last 38 years.20 or 25 years is more like it.
No one builds a passenger ship for a projected 20-25 year life. There are many other cruise ships from her era that are still going, and the only one that comes to mind that was scrapped is Copenhagen / Odessa.
quote:Originally posted by dougnewman:She was retired because she cost too much to run.She didn't last long enough for SOLAS to kill her. That would have been in October 2010, her originally-planned retirement date.
I would surmise the mechanical maladies with the Clipper Pacific have eclipsed the high fuel and manning costs of the Topaz.
quote:Originally posted by dougnewman:Logically she should be, after all she was the first one.Indeed, she is quite historic, the first vessel of a great cruise empire.Where are the calls, "Save the SONG OF NORWAY"
quote:Originally posted by Ernst:Actually, quite some people died in fires aboard ships during the past 50 years.
quote:Originally posted by Magic Pipe:No one builds a passenger ship for a projected 20-25 year life. There are many other cruise ships from her era that are still going, and the only one that comes to mind that was scrapped is Copenhagen / Odessa.
Even ships built now are only built with a 30-year design life (except QM2, which was built to last 40 years).
quote:Originally posted by Waynaro:RCI should purchase her and convert her into a floating hotel. Great for pre and post cruise stays....RCI Hotels
Or they could use her as a tender for the Oasis or have her floating in one of her pools.
quote:Originally posted by dougnewman:Well, they did keep the Viking Crown Lounge from this ship and her sister. Royal Caribbean is a sentimental company (not like Carnival). I don't see them going that far though.
quote:Originally posted by Waynaro:RCI still have the VCLs locked up? I am surprised they have not dumped them or integrate them in a newbuild....
ssssssht don't say it to loud before some kid/Australian hear this and start making plans. Or say things that never happened so ssssssht
End of the line fore Clipper Pacific career with Peace Boat? There are enough vessels fore sale/charter on Marine Transportation Consultants.Marine Transportation Consultants webpage.
Greetings Ben.
I feel sorry for the elderly survivors of the atomic bombing in Hiroshima and Nagasaki that are on board amongst a total of around 700 passengers.
I wonder if the heating / air conditioning etc is still operating on board as some parts of Turkey can be very cold in the winter.
The ship will also require fresh water and food supplies while she is tied up in Izmir !
The Peace Boat organization would have done far better to have kept chartering ' The Topaz ' and operated her on a slower schedule to cut her fuel consumption.
The New Flamenco has always seemed to keep to her schedules in recent years prior to the charter for use as an accommodation ship at Noumea.
She sailed back to Singapore for a refit, after the charter, where she was renamed Flamenco 1.
She has since been advertised for sale at US $ 25 million or for charter on a ships for sale website operated from New Zealand !
As she has in the past cruised round the world for CTC she should be ideal for the Peace Boat organization.
quote:Originally posted by dougnewman:She was retired because she cost too much to run.
I recall a conversation with the captain during the 2004 visit that SOLAS was to do her in.
I guess PeaceBoat Organization did not perform proper due dillegence when surveying the Clipper before purchase.
quote:Originally posted by desirod7:I recall a conversation with the captain during the 2004 visit that SOLAS was to do her in.
quote:Originally posted by desirod7:I guess PeaceBoat Organization did not perform proper due dillegence when surveying the Clipper before purchase.
Peace Boat only chartered the ship they did not buy her !
It would appear that repairs to her, which were carried out in Turkey and Malta, before her last trip when she was detained in the USA, could have rushed so she could start her charter on time.
quote:Originally posted by PamM:She is definitely in Izmir, see this thread. She is still showing on the port website. No idea about an alternative charter.Pam
Just for the update, Clipper Pacific was in Piraeus yesterday and she sailed to her next destination late at night. I wonder how they deal with the passengers being so late in the cruise program.EDIT: The friend who told me that the ship left, may be wrong, as AIS shows it still in the port.
[ 10-30-2008: Message edited by: medcruise ]
The voyage has been taken over by Mona Lisa which sailed today from Piraeus about 11.45 hrs GMT for Valletta where she will arrive on Saturday at about 06.30 hrs.
The original schedule was for the Clipper Pacific to have called at Valletta on the 11th October !
The remaining schedule for the Mona Lisa is not known although this Peace Boat voyage should have finished in Yokohama on the 18th December.
Their next voyage was due to depart on the 21st December and return to Yokohama on the 5th April 2009.
The first cruise for Mona Lisa, when she returns to her other charter, should depart on the 1st May 2009.
[ 11-06-2008: Message edited by: Neil Whitmore ( Bob ex P&O Cruises) ]
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