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r.fiebig
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posted 04-25-2009 06:37 PM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello everybody,

German news magazine Der Spiegel reports that MSC Crociere's "Melody" was attacked by Somali pirates approx. three hours ago. Reports are sketchy so far, but armed security aboard were apparently able to repel the attack.


Best,

Raoul

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lasuvidaboy
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posted 04-25-2009 06:46 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I thought merchant ships are'nt allowed to have armed security onboard?
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Linerrich
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posted 04-25-2009 07:33 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I believe MSC had also altered MELODY's route, taking her hundreds of miles away from the coast and adding an extra day to the cruise, hoping to avoid this.

Rich


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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 04-25-2009 07:55 PM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Personally, I think this is all a little bit of hysteria. Knowing Melody, there is little to no way for pirates to attempt a boarding as the aft mooring decks are right over the props.

I'm going to bet all they did was pass some fishinjg boats a la Athena?

Tim


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Sutho
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posted 04-25-2009 08:30 PM      Profile for Sutho   Email Sutho   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Was it real or not?

The problem with these Somali pirates is that they are getting help from Yemen and possibly quite a few fishermen. I noted one last news report that Yemeni fishermen were removed from a hijacked ship that was recaptured from the pirates.

It is possible that if these pirates are smart enough to catch ships that they are smart enough to hide out in a fishing fleet and stalk their prey from there and assess a situation if it is worth attacking. That way they can get close enough without attacking and get away without suspicion if they are hiding with and posing as fishermen.

It is clear these pirates are not of inferior intelligence and it is very possible that they can come up with innovative and sly, sneeky ways of catching ships such as hiding out in a fishing fleet.


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dougnewman
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posted 04-25-2009 09:42 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Der Spiegel can't even get the nationality of the ship right....
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mike sa
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posted 04-26-2009 02:57 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Seems this did take place with CNN, Sky and BBC all reporting it through Associated Press. They also confirm that somone on board did return fire.

Seeing as MSC have rerouted most of their ships via the Cape it is surprising that they decided to route Melody this way instead of taking her up the west coast. And from a cruise point of view there are some interesting places to stop on the way.


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r.fiebig
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posted 04-26-2009 04:28 AM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tim,

I fully agree that "Melody" in particular appears to be a ship which should be very difficult for the pirates to board.

According to an ANSA report, "Melody's" Captain has confirmed that the attack has taken place and that fire has been returned by the cruise ship.


Best,

Raoul

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PamM
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posted 04-26-2009 05:03 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Other reports do not mention it at all. MSC made a big thing of stating Melody was taking a 400 mile detour; the hounds of the press would be after anything "newsworthy" whether true, half-true or false.

Pam


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r.fiebig
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posted 04-26-2009 06:58 AM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's another report, with more details on the actions taken by "Melody's" Israeli security officers. Unless the article is totally made up, I guess this does confirm that the vessel returned fire.


Best,

Raoul


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Sutho
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posted 04-26-2009 08:00 AM      Profile for Sutho   Email Sutho   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So it would appear Israeli security guards are allowed to carry firearms. I am not aware of what laws exist (if any) that prevent cruise ships from having firearms onbaoard, nor am I aware if certain rules do not apply to Iseaeli's.

The location of the attack is even more disturbing. If they can get that far out then there is no safe passage around Africa at all to escape them. If pirates can get 60 degrees East, then to clear the area of their attacks ships would have to get at least 80 degrees East (East of the southern tip of India) and sail at least 40 degrees south before turning under Africa. If pirates can get 800km from their coast then what is stopping them from operating in the Madagascar Straight and even off the coast of Mozambique and South Africa!

Serious questions need to be asked as to why are they allowed to get away with it, who is helping the pirates, and why are the Military forces in the area not attacking them or stopping the pirates from getting more equipment enabling them to get that far out to sea.


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mike sa
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posted 04-26-2009 10:02 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There is nothing to stop them trying to operate in the Mozi Strait but the shipping lanes are quite narrow in fact and easily patrolled. Chances of them trying their luck off SA is zero, one our navy is very well equipped and does not hesitate to open fire (at least if they follow the same approach as our cops do!) and the seas are just too rough for them.

However I fully expect them to continue in the Gulf area if not increase their attacks - in fact the attack on Melody does indicate an escalation in itself - a boldness that has rarely been seen before - unfortunately please do not expect a similar response from any of the navies in the area. There is not the political will do deal with the Somali issue.


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posted 04-26-2009 10:07 AM      Profile for Teva   Email Teva   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's been reported on the news all night!...
should've blasted the f****** out of the water
that would've shown them who's in control...

pirate scuzbuckets in their s***box boat score
a big fat ZERO

MSC Melody score ONE big one...

I care not a crap about these filthy creatures they deserve all they get,and then some.


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 04-26-2009 11:06 AM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I assume most large (tall) cruise ships would be very difficult to board from a small boat and all cruise ships seem to have barriers at the openings on their lowest aft decks. Smaller yacht-like cruise ships would be most at risk w/fewer crew members to fight off an attack.
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rem-dk
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posted 04-26-2009 11:39 AM      Profile for rem-dk     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tim in 'Lauderdale:
Personally, I think this is all a little bit of hysteria. Knowing Melody, there is little to no way for pirates to attempt a boarding as the aft mooring decks are right over the props.

I'm going to bet all they did was pass some fishinjg boats a la Athena?

Tim


I am not sure how to comment these words of yours, but it looks like you don´t believe this is true.
Why should it not be true, with more than 100 attacks from pirates in this area documented this year?

Best regards René.


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posted 04-26-2009 12:01 PM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"And the beat goes on" on this subject. I am not surprised that the ship fired back considering the security force they have onboard. They won't tolerate any BS from anyone. There not there to just prevent you from bringing liquer aboard to your cabin and handling a few drunks.
All ships should be able to defend themselves from Pirates. Once this is done . Knowing the risk ,piracy will subside. The cost of a good security force is small compare to the ransom and goods lost for cargo ships.
Frosty 4

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posted 04-26-2009 12:15 PM      Profile for RobHolland   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tim in 'Lauderdale:
Personally, I think this is all a little bit of hysteria. Knowing Melody, there is little to no way for pirates to attempt a boarding as the aft mooring decks are right over the props.

I'm going to bet all they did was pass some fishinjg boats a la Athena?

Tim


This does not make any sense at all...as if the stern is the only place to attempt boarding. They actually tried boarding at the bow.


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 04-26-2009 12:31 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by RobHolland:

This does not make any sense at all...as if the stern is the only place to attempt boarding. They actually tried boarding at the bow.


From what I've heard w/cargo ships, they somehow attach a line to the bow and board a ship amidships. Cruise ships are of course of a different design and the lowest deck to access is the aft decks where the mooring gear is. Boarding a cruise ship is also very different as there can be hundreds of crew members (and passengers) verses a dozen crew members on a cargo ship.


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posted 04-26-2009 01:29 PM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Look. A few RPG rounds through the hull will get your attention whether they try to board or not.
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lasuvidaboy
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posted 04-26-2009 02:41 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cambodge:
Look. A few RPG rounds through the hull will get your attention whether they try to board or not.

Oh now that just makes to much sense.


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posted 04-26-2009 04:02 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sutho:
So it would appear Israeli security guards are allowed to carry firearms. I am not aware of what laws exist (if any) that prevent cruise ships from having firearms onbaoard, nor am I aware if certain rules do not apply to Iseaeli's.
The rules have nothing to do with the nationality of the security guards, it is up to the flag state.

That is, in international waters - when the ship is in territorial waters or in port it is up to that state to decide whether or not to let in a ship carrying arms. This is a very major obstacle to having armed security on board.

There are also issues about insurance.

quote:
Originally posted by Frosty 4:
The cost of a good security force is small compare to the ransom and goods lost for cargo ships.
No it isn't.

Would you propose to put armed security on all of the thousands of ships a year that transit this area? Do you have any idea how much that would cost?

The total cost of piracy in 2008 was only something like $70m. This is a small number for the worldwide shipping industry. It is still cheaper to just live with it.

For a ship like MELODY with around 1,000 paying passengers on board not to mention around 500 crew, it might be worth it. But a cruise ship with the potential for over a thousand hostages is rather different from the average ship passing through the area with maybe a dozen crew on board and some cargo.

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posted 04-26-2009 04:11 PM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
During my cruise on MSC OPERA I have never seen security quite like it on any ship. I'm not talking about the security when you get on and off the ship, but the guys that make the rounds on the ship as security patrol. They were all young, very in shape, looked like they could be from Israel, and wore dark black suits with no name tag. They also wore ear pieces and would tilt their heads to speak into their microphones. It was all very secret service looking. To be honest we had some good laughs over it. This show of security seemed rather absurd on a cruise ship sailing the Caribbean. It looked silly, especially because most of the time they seemed so bored and never spoke to anyone.

Ernie


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posted 04-26-2009 04:36 PM      Profile for Steve Read (sread)   Author's Homepage   Email Steve Read (sread)   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Of the 994 passengers on board, 493 are from the UK and Ireland.
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posted 04-26-2009 04:59 PM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ernie,
You have to admit there are some places in the Carribean you wouldn't mind having this type of security. I'm just waiting for some group there to get the idea if it works off Somalia why not here!
Anything is possible.
Even though Central America is poor in general the thing they have going to prevent piracy is the prolific drug trade. Surely even a small amount of drug money filters down to the poor.
Frosty 4

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posted 04-26-2009 05:21 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by eroller:
During my cruise on MSC OPERA I have never seen security quite like it on any ship. I'm not talking about the security when you get on and off the ship, but the guys that make the rounds on the ship as security patrol. They were all young, very in shape, looked like they could be from Israel, and wore dark black suits with no name tag. They also wore ear pieces and would tilt their heads to speak into their microphones. It was all very secret service looking. To be honest we had some good laughs over it. This show of security seemed rather absurd on a cruise ship sailing the Caribbean. It looked silly, especially because most of the time they seemed so bored and never spoke to anyone.

Carnival has used Israeli security on board their ships for many years, and it is exactly like you've described here. I also recall seeing this aboard the ships of now-defunct Royal Olympia Cruises.

Rich

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