As you can see they are all pretty much the same but they do have some differences like thier sterns, the top bow decks.Anything else? (as you can see im not an archtiectual expert)

Over and Out,
Cam J

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Originally posted by Cam J:
Anything else?

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a) the 4 HAL ships;
b) Arcadia;
c) Queen Victoria;
d) Costa Luminosa;
e) Queen Elizabeth;
f) Costa Deliziosa.

I think there are in fact quite a few differences between ships. There's obviously the size differences: the Cunard & Costa 4 are a bit bigger than the early ones. There's also the various 'rear angle' choices: several of the early ships which had quite a gentle rake have had extra cabins added and the angle has been increased. This has also led to the open deck at the top being extended as well, of course.

Nathan

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Originally posted by Tom Burke:
I think there are a total 9 Vistas either in service or building, aren't there? :

a) the 4 HAL ships;
b) Arcadia;
c) Queen Victoria;
d) Costa Luminosa;
e) Queen Elizabeth;
f) Costa Deliziosa.

I think there are in fact quite a few differences between ships. There's obviously the size differences: the Cunard & Costa 4 are a bit bigger than the early ones. There's also the various 'rear angle' choices: several of the early ships which had quite a gentle rake have had extra cabins added and the angle has been increased. This has also led to the open deck at the top being extended as well, of course.

All in all I think they're an interesting set of ships that offer a considerable amount of flexibility within the constraints of overall panamax dimensions. I haven't been on one yet; that will happen on September 2010 when we are on Arcadia. We have a stern cabin for a 3-night mini-cruise.

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Originally posted by Tom Burke:
...that will happen on September 2010 when we are on Arcadia. We have a stern cabin for a 3-night mini-cruise.

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Originally posted by aggablinky:
I have nothing against the Vistas, but i do think its a shame the QE couldn`t have had her own new design, just as her elder namesakes did, i suppose it all comes down to cost and so on, but what a shame she isn`t going to resemble the QE2 in any way, even just a nice tall funnel like she had.
Does anyone agree, or am i just too biased toward QE2 ?

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I don't think it had to look like QE2 but I agree it really should have been a new design, if not on the out side then at least on the inside. Unfourtunately QE will not be unique outside or in. The only thing different between her and QV is the stern and a few small minor differences on the inside. IMO this ship is just another example of Carnival being cheap.

BUT.....

I STILL SEE VISTAS IN EVERY CORNER OF THE
ROOM!,THERE'S A VISTA ON MY SHOULDER,MY
PANTRY IS FULL OF VISTAS,MY NEW CAR IS A
HONDA VISTA,THE NEXT BIG SCREEN MOVIE I
SEE WILL BE IN VISTA-VISION!,VISTAS,VISTAS
EVERYWHERE AND NOT A GRAND CLASS IN SIGHT

OK,enough humour!,Carnival has had much mileage
with the Vista Class,carefully tweaked for each
brand to make them unique,& to be frank,I do quite
like the overall look of the Vista,& Grand Class too

Do have a lovely day won't you?

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Originally posted by aggablinky:
but what a shame she isn`t going to resemble the QE2 in any way, even just a nice tall funnel like she had.
Does anyone agree, or am i just too biased toward QE2 ?

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Take Electra for example:

This room was designed as the childrens night club. Arcadia became adult only yet Electra the nightclub disco still has low sitting chairs that leave you sitting with bended kneed up.

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Originally posted by Tom Burke:
I think there are a total 9 Vistas either in service or building, aren't there? :

a) the 4 HAL ships;
b) Arcadia;
c) Queen Victoria;
d) Costa Luminosa;
e) Queen Elizabeth;
f) Costa Deliziosa.

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Originally posted by Sutho:
Only problem with Arcadia is that there are unfinished rooms that obvoiusly Carnival did not allow P&O the money to fix up.

Take Electra for example:

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Originally posted by jeffrossatsea:
taking my first vista class cruise aboard the zuiderdam next week....this should be enough for me to become a fan or not of this type of ship....to me they are all cookie-cutter design's from carnival that has been tossed all over other than princess and seabourn.....jeff

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Originally posted by LeBarryboat:
What about Carnival's Carnival Spirit? That's a Vista-class too

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If I am not mistaken, the Vista and Spirit were being developed at the same time, but the Spirit Class came out first. COSTA ATLANTICA is the ship that started off this whole series.

Having sailed on Spirits and the HAL/Cunard versions of the Vistas, I prefer the Spirit Class. Next would be the Cunard Vista which is actually very different in interior layout and design to all the other Vistas and so-called Signature Class.

COSTA LUMINOSA is actually not a true Vista or Spirit, but a hybrid of both. Her stairtower/elevator arrangement is that of the QV (Vista), but the atrium and remaining interior arrangement is more Spirit. She is an interesting combination of the two.

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Originally posted by oslo dutch:
Beware! Decorwise Zuiderdam is a bit of an acquired taste. They tried to modernize HAL a bit but instead of the great result of the Celebrity Soltice sister they've gone a bit the Farcus way and for me it was not terribly successful. Comfortable ship though if you don't mind wacko colour schemes and bad taste interior design. This ship has got nothing to do with the Netherlands apart from a Dutch flag and dutch officers.

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Indeed the two first Zuiderdam and Oosterdam where very bright and away from the usual HAL interiors. But with the Westerdam, Noordam and specially the Eurodam they quickly returned to the more traditional a bit conservative interiors. But then again they proofed to be very successful vessels within HAL. But agree after Nieuw Amsterdam it's time to have a new design.

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Originally posted by PamM:
Westerdam conservative Ben?

Pam

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Pam, this looks like something out of a Blackpool /Wildwood NJ/Venice Beach tatoo parlor

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yeh I know Pam mean to say more conservative then Zdam and Odam

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If I were in charge of HAL, Tillberg or Yran and Storbratton would do the space planning and general arrangements.

I would hire contemporary Dutch designers; known and up and coming to do the interior decoration. Our own www.onnoheesbeen.com could provide artwork and murals. Rem Koolhaus is a current Dutch starchitect. Droog design is also pushing the envelope. http://www.droog.com/

Why is Carnival Corp dumbing down the HAL ships with Reniassance and amusement park kitsch when Holland has such a rich 20th century history and currently vibrant design scene?

Pre Carnival Costa had really rich contemporary Italian design descending from the greats who did the 50's ships, now are simply floating Olive Gardens shouting 'Ay Yo!"

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Why is Carnival Corp dumbing down the HAL ships with Renaissance and amusement park kitsch when Holland has such a rich 20th century history and currently vibrant design scene?

Pre Carnival Costa had really rich contemporary Italian design descending from the greats who did the 50's ships, now are simply floating Olive Gardens shouting 'Ay Yo!"

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You are so right!
They could be even better than Celebrity.
In 1959 Rotterdam V interiors were designed by the most famous Dutch interior architects and designers. It was so good they are restoring it now 50 years later as a floating hotel and restaurant.

The theme on HAL seems to be very much about Dutch golden age 17th century Dutch East India Company (VOC) kitsch.
Pretty odd living in dark gloomy Rembrandt colors on a Caribbean cruise. It's solely targeted at American audiences who seem to like it.

However Carnival Corp (and other cruiselines) seem to be tied to their conservative marketing strategies (remember oceanliners at Cunard ;-)) I do not expect it will change.
Nieuw Amsterdam will be the same doom and gloom glamour

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Originally posted by oslo dutch:

Pretty odd living in dark gloomy Rembrandt colors on a Caribbean cruise. It's solely targeted at American audiences who seem to like it.

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