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Topic: Carnival Dream Misses Inaugural Call at San Juan Due to Sculpture

TampaMike
First Class Passenger
Member # 4445

posted 12-10-2009 05:34 PM

I love the irony. RCI paid for the sculpture on the pier in 2006.

Further, there was to be a meeting onboard to discuss cruise industry expansion plans.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34362059/ns/travel-news/

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TampaMike
First Class Passenger
Member # 4445

posted 12-10-2009 05:40 PM

The offending sculpture can be seen on this web site:

http://windwardjourney.com/2008/02/28/old-san-juan-at-night/poop-deck/

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PamM
First Class Passenger
Member # 2127

posted 12-10-2009 06:14 PM

Could she not have swapped docks with the 'other' vessel? and in future just make sure the other dock is available.
A bit odd this was not checked out beforehand though.

Pam

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TampaMike
First Class Passenger
Member # 4445

posted 12-10-2009 06:50 PM

Apparently it is due to the Dream's outboard lifeboats would not clear the sculpture.

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DEIx15x8
First Class Passenger
Member # 14958

posted 12-11-2009 12:58 AM

Isn't this something that Carnival should have been aware of ahead of time? RCCL has managed to make it to all her port of calls (Nassau TBD) and she wasn't supposed to be able to fit anywhere. Normally when your docking a ship at a new port for the first time it is standard procedure to check all of the port requirements, one of which is the max beam. Kind of makes you question Carnivals safety in general as knowing those distances are vital in safely docking. Maybe that is why they've hit so many RCCL ships in dock recently.

It's kind of a shame they have to remove the sculpture (I would consider it an awning, not a sculpture) as it provided a nice covering and modern appearance to the pier. We got to see it a few years ago on the Liberty of the Seas second call in San Juan.

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dougnewman
First Class Passenger
Member # 11349

posted 12-11-2009 03:08 AM

This is not half as ironic as if Carnival had paid for it, not RCCL.

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jetwet1
First Class Passenger
Member # 6361

posted 12-11-2009 05:57 AM

quote:
Originally posted by DEIx15x8:
Isn't this something that Carnival should have been aware of ahead of time? RCCL has managed to make it to all her port of calls (Nassau TBD) and she wasn't supposed to be able to fit anywhere. Normally when your docking a ship at a new port for the first time it is standard procedure to check all of the port requirements, one of which is the max beam. Kind of makes you question Carnivals safety in general as knowing those distances are vital in safely docking. Maybe that is why they've hit so many RCCL ships in dock recently.

While I agree with the majority of what you said, the part that I made bold I would have to disagree with in the strongest terms, I would fully expect to read something like that in The Sun/ Daily Post, but not on here.

Is it a stupid thing to have happen, well of course it is, someone dropped the ball, but to call into question the safety of all Carnival owned ships because of this, NO.

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Carlos Fernandez
First Class Passenger
Member # 6432

posted 12-11-2009 09:39 AM

I thought Carnival would've used the terminals on the east (the pink terminal), and there's the ones Princess and Empress of the Seas used which I believe are next to the airport on the bay, SJ is surrounded by cruise terminals so I don't know why not just swap to another.

The structure in SJ was designed by my architecture professor from last year, he also designed the Royal Caribbean terminals and the new Carnival terminals in Miami and a few others. It would really be a shame if they get rid of this.

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JP
First Class Passenger
Member # 1373

posted 12-11-2009 01:55 PM

Sculpture? I just thought it was an awning.

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jetwet1
First Class Passenger
Member # 6361

posted 12-11-2009 04:17 PM

Darn it, HTML doesn't work over here I guess

As far as dock art goes it is one of the better ones and the shade it gives during the day must be most welcome.

I am wondering if it cannot be moved to another part, something like swung round 180 degrees or adjusted in some way ???

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 12-11-2009 04:37 PM

quote:
Originally posted by TampaMike:
Apparently it is due to the Dream's outboard lifeboats would not clear the sculpture.

Oasis also has boats that hand over the side of the ship. I wonder if she would have the same problem?

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 12-11-2009 04:54 PM

They are NOT 'sculptures', they are know as R.C.A.F.S.D's = Royal Caribbean Anti fun-Ship Devices.

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TampaMike
First Class Passenger
Member # 4445

posted 12-11-2009 07:44 PM

quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
Oasis also has boats that hand over the side of the ship. I wonder if she would have the same problem?

Right now, St Thomas (sub base), Labadee and Nassau piers are clear of structures close to the pier edge. Same for the future Western Caribbean ports of Falmouth and Cozumel.

Should RCCI decide to bring the OOTS to San Juan (if it is logistically possible), at least Carnival would have paid for the sculpture to have been removed for them!

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