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Anyone know if that boat has been replaced? its been awhile that she has been sailing sans forward Lifeboat
quote:Originally posted by avalon1025:my guess: more protective structure for the lifeboats. Remember on her TA, she sustained damage to the forward boat. Anyone know if that boat has been replaced? its been awhile that she has been sailing sans forward Lifeboat
To my knowledge the lifeboats have never been replaced. Interesting because OASIS has been sailing at over 100% capacity on most cruises so I guess they have enough rafts to compensate. These lifeboats are pretty massive and the two missing carry 740 persons total. I'm not sure what the raft capacity is? Even with the two lifeboats missing, the remaining 16 lifeboats can carry 5920 persons.
OASIS never docks in this direction at Port Everglades (and rarely anywhere else), so I wonder how that effected disembarkation and embarkation? Also, she is not scheduled to depart until 9pm tonight I imagine so the work can be completed.
One other interesting tidbit, looking at construction pictures of ALLURE I don't see any modifications in this area.
Ernie
They are kind of interesting. I'm not sure how they are supposed to work though. It seems like the lines created by the new reflector don't flow with the ones created by the hull and existing reflector. It also seems to cover a much larger area than the lifeboats require. Maybe once it's all done it will make more sense, hard to tell much at this stage in construction.
quote:Originally posted by dmwnc1:I wonder why Norwegian Epic doesn't have a similar type of wave deflection system forward since her lifeboats extend out so far?
That's something that I've been wondering since the day they first released her concept art. The Oasis has always had her (now known to be) small reflectors since the original 3D concept art was released and many have commented on their appearance and necessity but the Epic never had them. My guess is that unlike RCCL who did extensive testing for Oasis, NCL was in such turmoil that they may have just been trying to get this thing together to be built before they lost more money and never realized it could be a problem. Her lifeboats are more traditional than Oasis's but I can't imagine that this would make her immune from any problems. Hopefully they make some form of change and don't take the cheap way out and just let it go since it will most likely never be a problem. All it takes is that one time that something goes wrong for the companies image to be ruined beyond repair (come to think of it, I think NCL has been to the point of no return several times already, lol).
[ 05-23-2010: Message edited by: DEIx15x8 ]
quote:Originally posted by DEIx15x8:My guess is that unlike RCCL who did extensive testing for Oasis, NCL was in such turmoil that they may have just been trying to get this thing together to be built before they lost more money and never realised it could be a problem.
That theory seems very unlikely to me. I'm sure both hulls were very carefully designed and tested! I believe it was NCL's internal changes that were problematic for the ship yard.
I just assume lifeboat damage was not considered a major risk in Caribbean waters. Oasis was unlucky to have a very rough Transatlantic crossing.
I assume that the QM2's lifeboats are higher than Oasis and Epic? There is no wave deflection system (The QM2 is of course about the same gross tonnage as Epic).
[ 05-23-2010: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]
RCI/Celebrity firstly & then NCL are the ones working on this to develop and test what is necessary. Hmm, where's anything Carnival?
Pam
quote:Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:I assume that the QM2's lifeboats are higher than Oasis and Epic? There is no wave deflection system (The QM2 is of course about the same gross tonnage as Epic).
Assuming that the scale is correct at NAUTICAL CITIES it would look something like this if compared:
[ 05-23-2010: Message edited by: dmwnc1 ]
quote:Originally posted by DEIx15x8:[....]My guess is that unlike RCCL who did extensive testing for Oasis, NCL was in such turmoil that they may have just been trying to get this thing together to be built before they lost more money and never realized it could be a problem. [...]
Rest assured that extensive tests are carried out for any large passenger ship built these days (and thats BTW not done by the cruise line). To assume that someone is approaching the construction of such a ship by 'trying to get this thing together' is simply outrageous and BTW also offensive.
quote:Originally posted by dmwnc1:Here's another to scale with full lengths of all three showing lifeboat placements:
From the images you would not believe that Epic and QM2 had similar gross tonnages. Epic is obviously very boxy (and ugly) the QM2 is much sleeker, by comparison. I wonder where the QM2 hides her tonnage?
In the case of 'Oasis' the secret is in her width!
quote:Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:From the images you would not believe that Epic and QM2 had similar gross tonnages. Epic is obviously very boxy (and ugly) the QM2 is much sleeker, by comparison. I wonder where the QM2 hides her tonnage? In the case of 'Oasis' the secret is in her width![ 05-23-2010: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]
Hey Malcolm,QM2 to me, in person, still looks the largest. She is very imposing with that massive bow and lifeboats placed so high. Also I think the paint scheme adds to her grandeur.
OASIS looked big to me, but not as large or as impressive as QM2. As you say, it's when you see the width of OASIS that you realize just how large she is.
The QM2 does hide her tonnage surprisingly well.
quote:Originally posted by Frosty 4:I think it safe to say that OOTS and Epic are cruise ships and QM2 is an ocean liner. Right??F4
Yep. Designer Stephen Payne deliberately gave her a tiered stern and majestic bow/front superstructure to resemble Ocean liners of the past and to protect the bridge from big waves.
I believe the QM2 was given an exception to have her lifeboats high than the regulations normally allowed to protect them from the North Atlantic.
quote:Originally posted by FuzzyFish:The QM2 does hide her tonnage surprisingly well.
In terms of side profile the QM2 is clearly smaller than Epic. That must mean she is wider than Epic?
[ 05-24-2010: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]
All are passenger ships and their size is 'measured' or calculated according to the same rules.There is no difference between a 'liner' an a cruise ship from a technical point of view.
quote:Originally posted by Magic Pipe:QM2 is 41m wide. Epic is 40.7m wide.
Well that does not account for much extra gross tonnage, surely?
This comparatively large hull was obviously a result of QM2's need to survive the open seas far more often than the other two ships. I've often thought her looks slightly ungainly but it serves a purpose. Having said that none of these ships will ever be true beauties but they all are designed with revenue in mind way before aesthetics.
Brad
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