1. Sitmar FairMajesty (Delivered as Star Princess)

2. Costa Olympia (Delivered as Norwegian Sky)

Sister to Costa Victoria

3. Project America (Delivered as Pride of Hawaii)

4. Queen Victoria (Delivered as Arcadia)

Technically CROWN and REGAL PRINCESS were ordered by Sitmar Cruises, but Princess Cruises took delivery.

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I also recall that SPIRIT OF LONDON was originally ordered by NCL but picked up by P&O.

Lastly, wasn't NCL'S STARWARD originally ordered for a ferry company, but completed for NCL? Perhaps SKYWARD too?

The Statendam Class was a derivative of COSTA CLASSICA, but more upscale. Carnival had intended to introduce a new, upscale line with the "Tiffany Class", but I believe they ended up as STATENDAM and her sisters.

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Wasnt the Arcadia/Victoria planned as a HAL ship when it was ordered?

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Yes she was actually the 4th Vista on order. Later HAL ordered 1 more Vista which became the Noordam.

I believe the Volendam1922 and Veendam 1923 where bought on the stocks by HAL. But some books and historians say the where directly ordered by HAL.

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Perhaps not quite what you were looking for, but COSTA CLASSICA was originally destined for EuroLuxe Cruises, an upscale division of Costa. This venture did not last long before it folded into Costa.

The Statendam Class was a derivative of COSTA CLASSICA, but more upscale. Carnival had intended to introduce a new, upscale line with the "Tiffany Class", but I believe they ended up as STATENDAM and her sisters.

Ernie

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Ernie Tiffany was actually the name of the new cruise line. I believe that Carnival started to plan this new cruise line after a failed first attempt to buy HAL mid '80's and failed take over of RCC. But the project halted after the second and successful take over of HAL. The planned 3 ships fore Tiffany where further developed fore HAL (someone told me that the ships opted a HAL like lay out)

Another one HAL tried to buy Home Lines Oceanic well nearing completion.

Greetings Ben.

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Lastly, wasn't NCL'S STARWARD originally ordered for a ferry company, but completed for NCL? Perhaps SKYWARD too?

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This is why SONG OF NORWAY is the first "modern" purpose-built cruise ship, designed from scratch as such.

I think CARIBBEAN PRINCESS was originally ordered for P&O ... either that or CROWN PRINCESS ... but I think it was the former. (At some point there was a ship that was supposed to be called CALIFORNIA PRINCESS -- I think that one became CROWN PRINCESS.)

NORWEGIAN DAWN was also ordered as SUPERSTAR SCORPIO.

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Ernie Tiffany was actually the name of the new cruise line. I believe that Carnival started to plan this new cruise line after a failed first attempt to buy HAL mid '80's and failed take over of RCC.

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This is also the first I've heard that Carnival had already tried and failed to buy HAL once before, though that could certainly be true. But the usual story seems to be that Carnival only went after HAL after failing to buy RCCL. Rather similarly, RCCL bought Celebrity after failing to buy Costa (and for the first decade or so that looked like a bad decision).

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Originally posted by nycruiser:
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought I read somewhere that back in the late 1980's Chandris wanted a new build so they developed and built what was to be the Horizon and she was to be included into the Chandris brand but a year before her launch decided to create a new company that was a bit upmarket hence Celebrity.

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I think Tropicale was built before Song of Norway.

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No. SONG OF NORWAY came well before TROPICALE.

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No. SONG OF NORWAY came well before TROPICALE.

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Correct, SONG OF NORWAY came a full 10 years before TROPICALE.

Perhaps Nathan was thinking of SONG OF AMERICA, which came out in late '82, nearly a year after TROPICALE.

Rich

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1903--HANOVERIAN became MAYFLOWER, then CRETIC.
1903--MINNEWASKA became ARABIC.
1903--COLUMBUS became REPUBLIC.
1908--ALBANY became MEGANTIC.
1920--COLUMBUS became HOMERIC.
1922--BISMARCK became MAJESTIC.

History is filled with such examples, sometimes because sister lines were owned by the same corporation and the vessels simply switched, sometimes because of war reparations, and sometimes simply because the original lines went out of business.

Chandris had started work on the plans for a new ship to sail to Bermuda. They knew the Britanis and the Amerikanis were on their last legs and needed to do something.

When Home Lines sold the ships to Holland America the Bermuda Government started looking for a new cruise line to fill the void and as a result Chandris committed to starting Celebrity as an upscale firm.

I don't think they ever put the Chandris name on anything that said Celebrity. Lots of sensitivities with Bermuda wanting an upscale brand as their main cruise line and Chandris wanting to distant their $100 million dollar investment from the dowager image.

What made me think Chandris did not intend to create a seperate cruise line for the Horizon was a blurb they wrote about the ship in a Berlitz travel guide. Way back when (in the late 80s and early 90s) when you cruised to Bermuda on Chandris or Celebrity you received this nifty little Berlitz travel guide that was co-produced by Berlitz and Chandris or Celebrity. In the small Berlitz travel guide it not only highlighted Bermuda but it also had a section in it that highlighted the fleet. In the 1989 Chandris Bermuda Berlitz book it had a list of the then current Chandris fleet complete with pictures and a small blurb of each ship: Amerikanis, Victoria, Romanza........

At the end of the list there was a blurb about the new Horizon set to debut in 1990 with 600 some odd cabins. No rendering was featured and no talk of a new cruise line. One assumed the Horizon would be part of the Chandris family.