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seacruiser12
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posted 11-26-2010 08:33 AM      Profile for seacruiser12     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why do most cruise ships have these flags flying from bow to stern when in port?

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DAMBROSI2
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posted 11-26-2010 11:51 AM      Profile for DAMBROSI2   Email DAMBROSI2   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Welcome to the forum Seacruiser12, the reason why...is as far as I can recall, it's for the beginning day of cruising for passengers. It makes it look very festive and a welcome aboard. I'm sure others have a better explanation.
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seacruiser12
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posted 11-26-2010 10:34 PM      Profile for seacruiser12     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by DAMBROSI2:
Welcome to the forum Seacruiser12, the reason why...is as far as I can recall, it's for the beginning day of cruising for passengers. It makes it look very festive and a welcome aboard. I'm sure others have a better explanation.

Thanks DAMBROSI2. How about the lights on some ships that run from the bow to stern too?


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posted 11-26-2010 10:50 PM      Profile for SSTRAVELER     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Originally the flags spelled out messages but now they are mostly for decoration. They add to the festive look.

However on the mast you will still see the ships flying traditional signal flags. Red for a ship in quarantine or fueling danger, yellow for caution, half red half white for pilot aboard, a blue and white box for about to sail, etc.

The lights are entirely decorative.


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DAMBROSI2
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posted 11-27-2010 08:00 AM      Profile for DAMBROSI2   Email DAMBROSI2   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree with you on that SS TRAVELER. The festive lights looked really good on the older cruise ships.
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posted 11-27-2010 08:40 AM      Profile for seacruiser12     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why do newer ships like the Disney Dream and most (or all?)RCI ships don't have the festive lights?
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posted 11-27-2010 10:58 AM      Profile for SSTRAVELER     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by seacruiser12:
Why do newer ships like the Disney Dream and most (or all?)RCI ships don't have the festive lights?


Difficult to string and maintain .... also clearance issues with the way some of the ships are shaped. Plus I am sure there is some corporate lawyer sitting there figuring the cost and probability of one of the light blubs breaking and the potential danger of a passenger getting hurt.


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posted 11-27-2010 06:51 PM      Profile for Salaison   Email Salaison   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have only seen P&O ships with those festive flags and only on the first cruise onto a country for the season...
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posted 11-27-2010 08:51 PM      Profile for seacruiser12     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SSTRAVELER:
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Difficult to string and maintain

On the many cruises I have been onboard the SUPERSTAR VIRGO, I have noticed that the lights are very well maintained with only one or two bulbs fused. And the strange placement of the festive lights on the NORWEGIAN EPIC.


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PamM
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posted 11-28-2010 04:26 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe it was too awkward to carry them on over EPIC's forward section. Some new ships do still have the strings of lights eg the MSC fleet. I had not not realised RCI's vessels didn't.

Regarding the flags they are just tradition. In days of yore signal flags were hung bow to stern on arriving in port as a sign of happiness [relief? perhaps] of getting there safely. In later years the signal flags were required to be strung in a particular order, so as not to inadvertantly spell out any message.

Even 'etiquette' perhaps these days to hang them when in port as a sign of 'we love to be here'? Some ships have them up on turn around days, some more often and on special occasions. They are not always signal flags any more, MSC hang MSC flags, blue on white, and white on blue.

Cruise ships in Southampton often have them up, and in the MED too - perhaps it is no longer so common in the Caribbean/US? It is always nice to see the ships dressed and I personally think it is 'lazy seamanship' if they are not. I very much doubt that is the case though

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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 11-28-2010 06:34 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Before being part of the Carnival Group all P & O ships would be decorated overall when in port if it was a British event, such as the Queens birthday, or if a national event was being celebrated at that port.
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mike sa
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posted 11-28-2010 08:16 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Normally (at least during my 9 years with P&O / Princess :

Turnaround days.
National (non religious) holidays if in port.
Special celebrations if in port.
Visits by VIPS.

Therefore ships were nromally dressed overall on turnaround days to welcome new pax.


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posted 11-28-2010 08:55 AM      Profile for seacruiser12     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
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Even 'etiquette' perhaps these days to hang them when in port as a sign of 'we love to be here'? Some ships have them up on turn around days, some more often and on special occasions. They are not always signal flags any more, MSC hang MSC flags, blue on white, and white on blue.

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What about ports of call? I have noticed that when the AIDAaura was in Singapore, she didn't have any flags on.


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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 11-28-2010 12:50 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry Mike

I was talking about before the days of modern comforts like air conditioning and stabilizers which would also have been before you went to sea with the P & O / Princess company !

In those days we wore No 10 uniforms, with no air conditioning, even when going through the Red Sea !


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posted 11-28-2010 08:53 PM      Profile for cruiseshipluver   Author's Homepage   Email cruiseshipluver   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As for the P&O ships, I do understand that they fly their dress flags when entering a new port for the first time, either maiden or for a season. However, it is the case here in Barbados most of them dress here. That usually is because P&O ships homeport in Barbados in the winter season for the most part. We had Auzra and Ventura do it yet Arcadia came in today and she didn't fly any, since she was on normal visit.

This isn't just related to P&O ships. Sea Princess does this when she home ports here, as to the bigger Seabourn new builds (Odyssey) the Silver ships and so on. And I see all the ships that start cruises in FL flying them when they get back to FL, I guess u see the ship dressed down when you fly in and dressed when you leave the ship as well.

I asked the then captain of Queen Mary 2 Mr. Warwick, when she pulled into Barbados on her maiden back in 2004, why she doesn't fly dress flags and lights? His reply was simple, ship is too long and rigging them is complexed, same for the lights.

Most other ships that are just passing through Barbados for the day, do not fly their dress flags.

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seacruiser12
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posted 11-29-2010 01:28 AM      Profile for seacruiser12     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by cruiseshipluver:

I asked the then captain of Queen Mary 2 Mr. Warwick, when she pulled into Barbados on her maiden back in 2004, why she doesn't fly dress flags and lights? His reply was simple, ship is too long and rigging them is complexed, same for the lights.

cruiseshipluver


What about the smaller Royal Caribbean ships, like the Legend Of The Seas. She only flies dress flags on the bow and on the stern but not the middle.


Regarding the lights, why don't ships which have them in front of the bridge switch them on while sailing?


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posted 11-29-2010 04:31 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by seacruiser12:
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Regarding the lights, why don't ships which have them in front of the bridge switch them on while sailing?

Glare. The area in front of the commanding bridge is supposed to be as dark as possible to make it easier for the crew to see at night.


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posted 11-30-2010 11:45 AM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We were in San Diego the other day and a HAL Vista Class ship was departing with the decorative string lights lit from the mast aft.
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posted 11-30-2010 08:38 PM      Profile for cruiseshipluver   Author's Homepage   Email cruiseshipluver   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by seacruiser12:

What about the smaller Royal Caribbean ships, like the Legend Of The Seas. She only flies dress flags on the bow and on the stern but not the middle.



Yeah I know, some other smaller ships only fly forward of the mast and aft of the funnel, Why I don't know.

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