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PamM
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posted 01-09-2011 06:00 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I always wonder why more use of natural light is not made on ships. It's not as if there are buildings completely surrounding a floating vessel blocking out light, it is all around, so why can't it be 'harnessed' to light the atria, other interior areas and add to what is sometimes quite poor lighting in cabins?

I know some of you, well Desirod, make a living through designing lighting, so perhaps you can explain. I came across various buildings which make use of daylight for interior lighting through using tubes, deck prisms and mirrors guiding the light to where required.

Web searches throw up many new buildings, underground stations [Potsdamer Platz, Berlin] and more, already using this technology [since 1986, HSBC Hong Kong] and German companies experimenting on setups to guide sunlight into buildings.

Surely ideal for ships?

Pam


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 01-09-2011 08:26 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Solar Tubes could be used in some areas but I would think the areas would be limited. The reflective tubes need to be connected to a exterior skylight so interior spaces on the highest decks could use them but I don't know about spaces deep within the hull.
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desirod7
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posted 01-09-2011 09:36 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Pam,

I do work with Daylighting, Bruce is correct about solatubes. Today's modular cabin design allows for easy installation. A large side emmiting fibre optic system could work. One tube could cover inside cabins in line over 10 decks.

Solatubes are an end emmiting system which would require one tube for each inside cabin, and with 10 cabin decks the space to install is not there.

Canberra's court cabin setup IMO is a
brilliant design that could be used on land in large footprint buildings


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 01-10-2011 06:38 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think RCI’s ‘Radiance’ class had more sea views than any other big ship I have seen. (In fact this class of ship has more connection with the sea than some small ships). There must have been tons of glass with light cascading everywhere. I recall there being oversized port holes behind the reception desk, there were scenic elevators and even some of the public toilets had windows.

In contrast RCI’s ‘Voyager’ class has minimal connection with the sea with its internal, artificially illuminate, ‘Royal Promenade’. Norwegian Epic is another ship with minimal sea views. Even the prom deck is largely view-less with the large lifeboats obscuring much of the view.

It was nice to see than onboard ‘Oasis’ that the ‘Royal Prom’ has skylights (within Central Park above) so natural light can enter.


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 01-10-2011 12:15 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
I think RCI’s ‘Radiance’ class had more sea views than any other big ship I have seen. (In fact this class of ship has more connection with the sea than some small ships). There must have been tons of glass with light cascading everywhere.

I was very impressed w/the amount of daylight and sea views on the Brilliance of the Seas. As an example, the glass elevator door in the atrium allow for amazing sea views from one side of the side to the other. This class of ship are also very attractive from the outside.


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Johan
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posted 01-10-2011 03:23 PM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The amount of natural light onboard the jewel of the seas, with half the atrium of glass was fantastic, and spoiled us, in contrast to the Navigator of the seas.
I can't understand why the companies don't make more use of this feature,which no other "resort" (to which they like wrongfully to compare their ships) has.

J


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nycruiser
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posted 01-10-2011 05:40 PM      Profile for nycruiser   Email nycruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would also add the Legend of the Seas. I sailed her a few summers ago and was struck by the large windows both in her centrum and dining room. It was very enjoyable to have a lot of natural light!
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PamM
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posted 01-12-2011 09:08 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The court/Bibby cabin design was great 'back then' but a lot of wasted space.

One can be in a room with many large windows along the side, but with the glare & nothing from above, still be in a darkish/dismal room overall. It needs a bit of 'redirection'. Whole glass sides as described in the Radiance Class is much better.

Without direct access to exteriors use can still be made of natural light. I suppose with more research in time this might become the way of doing without artificial light, for part of the day anyway.

Pam


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eroller
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posted 01-12-2011 09:17 AM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The other negative of the court cabin is that the actual cabin with the window is smallest, with the cabins getting larger as you move inward. From a yield perspective, it's probably more lucrative to have the larger cabin with the real window.

Ernie


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Linerrich
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posted 01-12-2011 10:16 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Besides the wasted space, I don't even think such a court design could be implemented today--don't the new SOLAS regs prohibit cabins from being on short, dead-end corridors?

Rich


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 01-12-2011 05:02 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've not seen Canberra's court cabin setup before - very clever! However only two of the six cabins get a view, the other four just get light.

Modern passengers will pay a premium for a port hole, window or Balcony, but would they pay extra for just natural light?

(I suppose RCI's Royal Prom cabins on Oasis/Allure at least get some natural light from the skylights).


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dougnewman
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posted 01-18-2011 09:41 AM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Royal Promenade on VOYAGER OF THE SEAS has a prism system of some sort to let in natural light. Not sure if this was repeated on newer ships in the class or not.
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eroller
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posted 01-18-2011 10:32 AM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dougnewman:
The Royal Promenade on VOYAGER OF THE SEAS has a prism system of some sort to let in natural light. Not sure if this was repeated on newer ships in the class or not.


Actually on the Oasis Class there is much more natural light in the Royal Promenade. There is a large glass skylight that lets in natural light and also adds a nice design feature to Central Park, which is directly above the Royal Promenade. In addition the Rising Tide Bar lets in natural light as well. The natural light and the fact the Royal Promenade is much wider on the Oasis Class really enhances the venue.

Ernie

Skylight

Royal Promenade

Glass Dome

The Solarium is another great use of natural light on the Oasis Class.

Wall of glass on OASIS


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dougnewman
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posted 01-19-2011 12:29 AM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by eroller:
Actually on the Oasis Class there is much more natural light in the Royal Promenade.
Certainly. My comment was just in response to Pam's question about redirecting natural light to internal spaces.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 01-19-2011 05:04 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dougnewman:
The Royal Promenade on VOYAGER OF THE SEAS has a prism system of some sort to let in natural light.

Really Doug? I thought that the Royal Prom on the Voyager and Freedom class was purely illuminated by artificial light.

How does it work?


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dougnewman
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posted 01-19-2011 05:30 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
How does it work?
Honestly, I don't remember ... it's been almost 10 years since I was on that ship. (Yikes!) It's there, though.

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Funnel
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posted 02-06-2011 04:09 PM      Profile for Funnel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dougnewman:
The Royal Promenade on VOYAGER OF THE SEAS has a prism system of some sort to let in natural light. Not sure if this was repeated on newer ships in the class or not.

Maybe you are thinking of the glass cone on the pool deck?
There is a "light well" all the way down to Royal Promenade, but there isn't a lot of natural light coming that way if I remember correctly.

Here is the cone with colored glass.

The lower end of the "light well" is in the roof of the Royal Promenade.

I think this design is used only in Voyager of the Seas and not the other Voyager/Freedom class ships.

/Erik


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 02-06-2011 07:17 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dougnewman:
Honestly, I don't remember ... it's been almost 10 years since I was on that ship. (Yikes!) It's there, though.

Ah, that's why I not seen it. 'Explorer' certainly does NOT have it. Maybe it ws dropped after 'Voyager'?


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dougnewman
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posted 02-06-2011 09:13 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Funnel:
Maybe you are thinking of the glass cone on the pool deck?
Yes, that is what I was thinking of. I don't remember the details of it though.

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desirod7
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posted 02-07-2011 01:28 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Celebrity Millenium class has good connection to the sea. The QE2 and loveboat with the large windows all along the public room decks are well connected too.

The R ships decent. The Long Beach Queen Mary 1 has little indoor connection to the sea. Out on deck and along the promenades is good, but the public rooms have small portholes except for the Veranda Grill and the Observation bar.


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