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ahrpd
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posted 04-14-2011 01:21 PM      Profile for ahrpd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I may have missed a post about this, but I see from AIS that NORWEGIAN DREAM is docked in Piraeus Main Port. I may be wrong but I can't recall her ever docking there during her lay-up. Some new development perhaps?

Tony


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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 04-14-2011 05:31 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Tony

She left Syros for Piraeus on the 11th April 2011 and arrived the next day about 09.15hrs.

They must have wound her up as at one stage she was up to 16 knots, for a short time, which is the fastest speed seen for her since arriving in the med.


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r.fiebig
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posted 04-15-2011 03:46 PM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For what it's worth, she has now left Piraeus, bound for Port Said (!), according to her AIS signal.


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Raoul


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dougnewman
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posted 04-15-2011 05:34 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmm ... new Egyptian state yacht to replace the 1845-built EL HORRIYA?

Edit: 1865. Not sure where I got 1845 from. That would be ridiculously old.

[ 04-15-2011: Message edited by: dougnewman ]


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posted 04-15-2011 05:42 PM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder if Star Cruises intends to bring her "closer to home". Some of her (almost fanatic) fans in Germany are afraid she she might be headed for the breakers. Star Cruises can't be that desperate to get rid of her, IMHO, to be willing to sell her at scrap value, which should be dramatically below her market value.


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posted 04-15-2011 05:56 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There has been talk that some of the new cruising companies that have set up in the far east have been looking for cruise ships to buy so perhaps she is off to new owners.

[ 04-16-2011: Message edited by: Neil - Ex P. & O. S. N. Company. ]


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posted 04-15-2011 08:54 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by r.fiebig:
Star Cruises can't be that desperate to get rid of her, IMHO, to be willing to sell her at scrap value, which should be dramatically below her market value.
Yes, I think that is pretty much outside the realm of possibility. Even if they sell her for 50% or even 25% of what they were selling her to Louis for, that would be a lot more than scrap value.

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posted 04-16-2011 07:13 PM      Profile for SSTRAVELER     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Neil - Ex P. & O. S. N. Company.:
There has been talk that some of the new cruising companies that have set up in the far east have been looking for cruise ships to buy so perhaps she is off to new owners.

Or maybe Star decided to get her closer to the market where they think they can sell her. She was inspected over and over in Greece by Germans and others and no one wanted her. She is not the best product on the market and has a very high price tag.

Maybe they figure they will have better luck if they anchor her in Hong Kong, Singapore, etc. -- I doubt St (now Genting) would consider running her.


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posted 04-16-2011 08:40 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by SSTRAVELER:
She is not the best product on the market and has a very high price tag.
I think there is an easy solution to that and it has nothing to do with moving the ship.

But seriously, if Star really wanted to sell badly enough, I imagine it would have already. The price she almost sold to Louis for made my jaw drop ... as it is Star is very lucky it sold MAJESTY for the very premium price it did.


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posted 04-18-2011 05:22 PM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dougnewman:
The price she almost sold to Louis for made my jaw drop ...

I understand Star Cruises still demanded a price of more than USD 200 million during very recent negotiations with possible buyers. Reportedly, one party offered very short of USD 190 million and Star was not willing to accept that offer.


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posted 04-19-2011 01:36 PM      Profile for SSTRAVELER     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by r.fiebig:

Reportedly, one party offered very short of USD 190 million and Star was not willing to accept that offer.
Best,

Raoul



The ship has had a long line of companies inspecting her. They lined up to inspect and take her out for a test drive so to speak. Louis' claims of mechanical problems have without a doubt hurt the image of the ship. It seems the Genting does not have that much of desire to sell her though, especially if you are right that someone offered nearly $190 million of course or unless there were other problems or conditions that created a problem on the sale.

It is sort of odd to see her sitting idle for so long and makes one wonder what the second hand market is going to be for a lot of the other cruise ships of a similar age. Have to wonder if some of them will not have a short life and end up the scrap yard long before their earlier than the previous generation of cruise ships.


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posted 04-25-2011 02:20 AM      Profile for seacruiser12     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Norwegian Dream is now in the Indian Ocean, just near Sri Lanka according to MarineTraffic. Wonder where she's heading?
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posted 04-25-2011 02:31 AM      Profile for bmajor   Email bmajor   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Another floating Asian Casino maybe???
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quote:
Originally posted by bmajor:
Another floating Asian Casino maybe???

Well, the question now is whether she is sailing towards a brighter future, or sailing towards doom (scrapyards...again). But I would really hate it if it were the second option


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posted 04-26-2011 03:01 AM      Profile for rd77   Email rd77   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by seacruiser12:

Well, the question now is whether she is sailing towards a brighter future, or sailing towards doom (scrapyards...again). But I would really hate it if it were the second option


no way she is heading to the scrappers yet. She may be a bit of a basket case, but she is still far too new to be scrapped. My expectation is that Star is just bringing her to Asia to make her easier to inspect for potential South East Asian buyers.


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posted 05-27-2011 05:35 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Norwegian Dream has been at the Singapore eastern anchorage area for the past two days having arrived there from Sembawang according to the AIS ship position maps.

With all the other companies putting cruise ships on the Australian market I wonder if Star Cruises are considering putting her there as well.


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posted 06-03-2011 07:34 PM      Profile for seabourndt   Email seabourndt   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
hopefully good news then
dave

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Norwegian Dream moved back to the Sembawang shipyard this morning.

Wonder what she might re-appear as ?

Could be a cattle carrier !


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She is to become SuperStar Gemini, see here

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