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The largest cruise line, Carnival, filed suit last week against the companies involved in the 2010 Gulf Oil Spill. In the suit filed in New Orleans, Carnival is seeking “unspecified damages.” The suit states: “that it serves ports in Florida, Alabama, Texas and Louisiana and uses the Gulf of Mexico to transport guests and ship crew to several ports worldwide.” The ships involved are the gulf bases Triumph and Elation. The damages are claimed to include:Increased fuel cost (due to additional distance said to avoid the oil), additional cleaning costs (to manually scrub the oil off the ships hull), and loss of revenue and bookings(as no one wanted to travel to the area.).

The exact firms in the lawsuit are BP Exploration and Production, BP America Production, Cameron International Corp., Transocean Ltd. and Halliburton Energy Services.

Does this go too far, or does Carnival have a legit claim here?

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Originally posted by Cunardcoll:
I think Carnival is right in this matter, let them finally pay for all the misery they cause with their oil companies, it's time we stop paying too much for dirty oil and start looking for clean energy

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Hmm. I'm not so sure. Carnival is has not exactly been an innocent bystander in the past regarding their environmental practices. It's a bit ironic as not that long ago they were sued dumping contaminated water at some California ports.

Carnival can sue all they want, but in the end they may regret it as it's likely they will get some bad press as their past is dug up.

This is an interesting article about just that:

Pot Calls the Kettle Black

Ernie

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Originally posted by eroller:

Hmm. I'm not so sure. Carnival is has not exactly been an innocent bystander in the past regarding their environmental practices. It's a bit ironic as not that long ago they were sued dumping contaminated water at some California ports.
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Originally posted by GregD:

all cruise lines are pretty bad in the environmental sector. Until they actually create a zero discharge/ zero emissions ship (which is pretty much impossible) it'll never be a clean operation.
Although to be fair its not just carnival with a bad record:
RCI hold the record for largest fine against a line.
Even NCL has been banned from ever sailing into Monterey Bay, CA

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This tread wasn't about which cruise line has the worst environmental record. It is about Carnival suing BP and others over the Gulf oil spill which is a bit hypocritical. Last I checked RCI and NCL were not suing BP. That is the point.

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Originally posted by eroller:

This tread wasn't about which cruise line has the worst environmental record. It is about Carnival suing BP and others over the Gulf oil spill which is a bit hypocritical. Last I checked RCI and NCL were not suing BP. That is the point.

Ernie

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Originally posted by Cunard Fan:
It does seem somewhat hypocritical, but at the same time, Carnival is not suing them from an enviromental high ground. They are suing as a buisness whoes bottom line was affected by the bad actions of another company (BP)...so in that way, I think they are kind of justified in doing this.

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Regardless it will bring into question their own environmental record and may do more harm than good. Personally if I were in charge at Carnival I would let this one slide. Personally I don't think the impact was too great to them and it seems a little greedy. I'm much more concerned about the individuals and small businesses that were impacted. Carnival is going to survive regardless. A ruling in favor for Carnival may mean less to go around for those that truly need and deserve it.

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Originally posted by GregD:

I wonder if CCL has a legit case if RCI and NCL will join in a class action suit. Although itll probably be CLIA suing on behalf.
....now that im thinking about it, i wonder why that hasn't happened yet?

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Perhaps NCL and RCI are smart enough to stay clear of this one. Neither has an admirable past record on the environment. If they join in, I will feel the same way about them as I do about Carnival. Hypocritical and a bit greedy.

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Originally posted by eroller:

Regardless it will bring into question their own environmental record and may do more harm than good.

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I think CCL's record may be considered but it wont matter much. They paid their millions in dues and damages but now BP needs to do the same.

The oil industries faulty, reckless, and careless actions interfered with all kinds of businesses, wether they be the gulf fishing industry, the gulf tour industry and yes even the cruise industry that operates in that area. They should be held accoutable and they need to pay.

And I think that if RCL, NCL and other lines that were affected by the neglegent actions of BP & Co.,were smart they would "get theirs" too.

Simple Point Blank.

Maybe then the airlines that fly into those cities and especially the big resort destinations could also sue because they had less passengers going on vacation along the Gulf coast.

Then maybe the companies that supply food or other services to the resorts, cruise ships, airlines in the region can sue because they lost business because the businesses they serve lost business. Then the power company can sue because there were less people to turn on lights and run up the electric bills.

And then BP can sue itself because there were less people buying gas from its stations because it chased away people from the region and the people left had less income to spend because of the spill.

Then maybe they could use the same model and all turn around and sue the energy company in Japan that had the meltdown arguing the same impact on their business in Japan.

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Originally posted by SSTRAVELER:

Maybe then the airlines that fly into those cities and especially the big resort destinations could also sue because they had less passengers going on vacation along the Gulf coast.

Then maybe the companies that supply food or other services to the resorts, cruise ships, airlines in the region can sue because they lost business because the businesses they serve lost business. Then the power company can sue because there were less people to turn on lights and run up the electric bills.

And then BP can sue itself because there were less people buying gas from its stations because it chased away people from the region and the people left had less income to spend because of the spill.

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Too funny Allan! Yes America is a "sue the bastards" society and this nonsense can go on and on and on. One thing is for certain, and that is the attorneys will earn a lot of money. That much I can guarantee you.

Sorry Frank, stockholder or not makes no difference to me, I feel the suit is pushing the envelope a bit.

I also find it interesting who comes out of the woodwork when I post anything that has a slight tint of negativity towards Carnival. It's really humorous. THANK GOD Carnival has it's defenders on CT. What would they do without you??

Get back to running a cruise line and re invest the money into the up keep and innovations on their ships that keep passengers and make passengers happy.

Why waste money on a lawsuit that you not guaranteed any success and the only ineveitable aspect is that Carnival will lose more money to the law suit

Lets face it Carnival relies on the Gulf Region as a customer base and a source of income. They are certainly not immune to polluting the area themselves considering they sail their ships in the region. If I were a Gulf resident I would not have too much sympathy for Carnival, a very profitable corporation that earned 30% more net income in 2010 compared to the year prior. In other words they are not suffering in any way. Meanwhile my relatives or friends could be losing everything because of the oil spill. I just don't think it will sit well with many folks, and these are the same people Carnival relies on as passengers for these cruises. The cruises out of the Gulf region are sourced almost entirely by locals.

The way it looks now is just pure corporate greed, especially considering the amount of profit Carnival made in 2010. I'm not saying Carnival was not impacted, but sometimes it comes down to more than just money (I know, hard to believe) and you actually have to do the right thing if your resources allow it. Carnival's resources do allow it.