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AKer builder
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posted 09-23-2011 09:51 AM      Profile for AKer builder   Email AKer builder   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
TUI ready to invest in newbuilds? Vogel and STX stay tight-lipped ... hopefully atlast we get some goodnews to turku....

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posted 09-23-2011 10:38 AM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fingers crossed for you! I would love to see STX Turku get some orders.

Ernie


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rd77
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posted 09-26-2011 04:45 AM      Profile for rd77   Email rd77   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Now THAT would be nice! at 98,000 gt it also sounds like a brand new design, which is always good.

By the way, is the ferry for Viking Line now confirmed?


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posted 09-27-2011 03:38 AM      Profile for AKer builder   Email AKer builder   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
VikingLine official start of production is tomorrow 28.9 despite the order is not 'actually confirmed', environmental support is not approved jet in EU comission, this is about 30 miljon €, but the yard and shipping company agreed to start project due the tight schedule.
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posted 09-27-2011 07:39 AM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello everybody,

TUI Cruises has just confirmed the contract for a 97,000 gt newbuild, to be delivered by STX Finland (Turku) in March, 2014.


Best,

Raoul


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posted 09-27-2011 07:57 AM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for the renderings Raoul.

Looks like a cross between DISNEY DREAM, CELEBRITY SOLSTICE, and the new NCL and Princess new builds.

A little bit of everything but certainly nothing radicle in the exterior design.

Ernie


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Carlos Fernandez
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posted 09-27-2011 08:35 AM      Profile for Carlos Fernandez   Author's Homepage   Email Carlos Fernandez   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Congratulations AkerBuilder.
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posted 09-27-2011 08:39 AM      Profile for buddhaJoe   Email buddhaJoe   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
hi there

not really something to be jubilant about
alas they come up with something better
than Mein Schiff 3

but for the people in Finland it will mean
some relief

best regards,
b. Joe

by the way this ship is 50% Royal Caribbean isn't it?


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posted 09-27-2011 08:43 AM      Profile for rustaveli   Author's Homepage   Email rustaveli   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
good news for Turku, but what a boring ship design..
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posted 09-27-2011 09:14 AM      Profile for rd77   Email rd77   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by buddhaJoe:
hi there

not really something to be jubilant about
alas they come up with something better
than Mein Schiff 3

but for the people in Finland it will mean
some relief

best regards,
b. Joe

by the way this ship is 50% Royal Caribbean isn't it?


Yes, TUI Cruises is still a joint venture between TUI and RCI.

As we all are saying: a rather generic design. Looks like a mix between the upcoming NORWEGIAN BREAKAWAY and ROYAL PRINCESS, but then 40% smaller. But, great news for STX in Turku!


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posted 09-27-2011 09:20 AM      Profile for AKer builder   Email AKer builder   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks to all, yes we are back in business!!!

I agree it looks a litle booring, but those are first images and it might change a litlebit on the way.

[ 09-27-2011: Message edited by: AKer builder ]


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posted 09-27-2011 03:40 PM      Profile for Thad   Email Thad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I find it interesting how all the new builds that have been recently announced seem to shy away from the cruising "clipper" bow that was so prevelant on almost all cruise ships built from the '70's until the '00's. There is a bluntness to the bow of this ship that reminds me of the Pride of America, which stems somewhat from the shorter forecastle, but even more from the "workman-like" bow.

Even the Solstice class has a more "powerful" looking bow, which seems much shorter than her RCI "sisters"

And the first of the "genre"


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posted 09-27-2011 03:53 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A gracefull clipper bow (and longer forecastle) cost money and do not generate income.
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posted 09-27-2011 04:20 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Thad:
I find it interesting how all the new builds that have been recently announced seem to shy away from the cruising "clipper" bow that was so prevelant on almost all cruise ships built from the '70's until the '00's. There is a bluntness to the bow of this ship that reminds me of the Pride of America, which stems somewhat from the shorter forecastle, but even more from the "workman-like" bow. [...]

I disagree with that.

Some ships in the 1970ies indeed had (rather exaggerated) bows imitating a clipper bow (at least they looked like that from some directions) but in the 1980ies and to a certain extent also in the 1970ies rather blunt bow shapes were actually pretty common.

In fact, all the examples you posted above are actually much sleeker bows than what was common these days (of course there were exceptions).

Just compare these bows to Finnjet, Europa, Zenith and even Horizon, Jubilee, Song of America (look at them from the front) etc. etc.

Don't be confused by the (often ugly) superstructure - the forecastles indeed became rather short and the superstructures are rather high these days. However, the hulls and in particular the bows of the ships you mentioned above are actually rather sleek.

[ 09-27-2011: Message edited by: Ernst ]


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posted 09-27-2011 04:35 PM      Profile for Thad   Email Thad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

They all seem less blunt than by a great amount than the TUI ship.


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posted 09-27-2011 04:45 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Thad:
[...]

They all seem less blunt than by a great amount than the TUI ship.


They are more raked and in some cases this hides a bit how stubby these bows actually are. The bow of the TUI ship has definitely much finer lines.

e.g. compare that photo of Tropical to the view of her posted above and to e.g. the new TUI ship.

Another example that would come to my mind is Viking Serenade - 'revealing' how 'stubby' her bow actually is in this photo as Stardancer.

Zenith's stubby bow in motion - in her can one see it from the side too but of course it's not nearly as 'bad' as from the front.

[ 09-27-2011: Message edited by: Ernst ]


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Well Viking Serenade actually received a new bow from RCCL, so it should look different than she was as Scandanavia / Stardancer. I think if they were to increase the rake of the TUI ships bow and lengthen the ship overall another 20 feet or so, she would look so much more sleek. The angle of her bow is so shallow that it makes her whole bow appear very blunt.


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posted 09-27-2011 05:29 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Thad:
[QB]Well Viking Serenade actually received a new bow from RCCL, so it should look different than she was as Scandanavia / Stardancer. [...]

That's true, it has been altered but I could give you many more examples of bows that look 'pointy' from the side which are in fact rather blunt - and of even more for 'blunt' bows of ships built in the 1980ies.

e.g. even (!) Song of America reveals from some angles that her bow is not nearly as 'gentle' as one might think - her bow looks 'pointy' from the side but it is actually 'rounded down' too and her forecastle converges at a larger angle than the TUI ship.

Song of America as Thomson Destiny

The TUI ship on the other hand has a bow with a much 'smoother transition' to the hull - if you allow me to call it like that (but shorter forecastle). In fact, it's rather similar to much, much older bow shapes (predating the 1970ies) which also did not have such extremely raked stems.


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posted 09-27-2011 06:09 PM      Profile for SSTRAVELER     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Thad:
Well Viking Serenade actually received a new bow from RCCL, so it should look different than she was as Scandanavia / Stardancer.


Yes but don't forget she was built with car decks which were being removed and that original bow had been a real problem when she hit bad seas on the East Coast. So those two points might have combined to give her a new "point" so to speak.


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posted 09-27-2011 09:56 PM      Profile for GregD   Author's Homepage   Email GregD   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey Thad,
Hope you dont mind but I was bored and altered you render a bit:

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posted 09-28-2011 01:04 AM      Profile for DEIx15x8   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This seems like a rather interesting move if you look at things on a broader scope. TUI was started 2 years ago and is 50% run by Royal Caribbean as a way to offer a german branded cruise. Their 2 current ships used to be part of the Celebrity fleet and now they are ordering their first custom build ship but instead of ordering from Meyer Werft in Germany and having a German built ship they are ordering from STX where Royal Caribbean's recent orders were delivered from. The delivery date for Sunshine 1 is fall 2014 while this is spring 2014. Wonder why Royal Caribbean didn't swap the orders, things seem to line up better for each line the other way. Is it all price motivated? I'm sure STX is offering a better deal since they are struggling for business right now and TUI isn't the wealthiest line around.

Overall she's an interesting looking ship, a bit of Solstice and Disney Dream. The forward structure seems rather steep though and reminds me of NCL Pride. She looks bigger than 90,000+ though, wonder if that will transfer to the interior feel as well.

[ 09-28-2011: Message edited by: DEIx15x8 ]


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posted 09-28-2011 12:10 PM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
TUI isn't the wealthiest line around.

What leads you to believe that? RCL owns 50% of TUI Cruises, while the other 50% are owned by TUI AG, which is one of the largest travel companies in the world. Actually, RCL is the (considerably) smaller partner in this joint-venture. TUI AG's annual revenue is about the size of the combined revenue of Royal Caribbean Cruises and Carnival Corporation & plc.


Best,

Raoul


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posted 09-28-2011 12:58 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As seen in those altered images, this ship would look far more elegant and sleek w/a more raked bow. Very nice!
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quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
As seen in those altered images, this ship would look far more elegant and sleek w/a more raked bow. Very nice!

Of the two I prefer the version with the inclined superstructure.

Thanks BTW for the altered pictures - I hope that you both don't mind that I took the liberty to further alter them.

I wanted to see whether it's possible to 'cheat' or to enhance the appearance avoiding too drastic changes (and my 'quick and dirty' approach is in line with that). For comparison I also changed the version with the longer forecastle and the more raked bow. I am not entirely convinced about the result and I wonder what could be achieved with a different livery.


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Here is NCL's take


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