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Topic: COSTA ALLEGRA UNDERWAY !

Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
First Class Passenger
Member # 5641

posted 03-11-2012 07:14 AM

Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES

The ships webcam is showing her as underway at 15.8 knots this morning.

One of the AIS ship position maps is showing her as due to arrive at Savona on the 24th March 2012.

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Anders
First Class Passenger
Member # 6373

posted 03-11-2012 08:26 AM

I presume she is heading for Savona only to be de-comissioned.

Micky Arison told Seatrade Insider two days ago that COSTA ALLEGRA will not be returning to service for Costa Crociere. At the same time he confirmed that COSTA CONCORDIA will never again return to service for any Carnival Corp. brand.

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PamM
First Class Passenger
Member # 2127

posted 03-11-2012 05:41 PM

An excuse to get her out of the fleet as she no longer fits in with the rest, I expect. As she did not seem to require much time for repairs the fire could not have been that major. I have not seen any detail posted anywhere?

Pam

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rd77
First Class Passenger
Member # 2117

posted 03-12-2012 04:38 AM

Pam, COSTA ALLEGRA was already for sale anyway. I don't think the damage can really have been THAT severe, as she is making almost 16 knots right now! However, as Costa's booking levels are depressed, I suppose it makes sense for Costa financially to pull the vessel from service right now.

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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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Member # 5641

posted 03-12-2012 07:09 AM

There could be a problem in getting spares for a ship of that age with any engine parts required having to be made to order.

Lets hope they got the vacuum system running again and have been able to clear all the smelly toilets reported on by her ex passengers.

With no passengers on board I expect there is always the chance she could be running on just her emergency generators.
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steeplechase
First Class Passenger
Member # 4056

posted 03-12-2012 07:48 AM

Costa also has the dreaded things come in three's to deal with or maybe they will get lucky and that counts against Carnival and then they are done.

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SSTRAVELER
First Class Passenger
Member # 15170

posted 03-12-2012 01:41 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Neil - Ex P. & O. S. N. Company.:

With no passengers on board I expect there is always the chance she could be running on just her emergency generators.

Impossible. First the emergency generators can not sustain the full ship even for just a skeleton crew. (Did Costa fly the majority of the crew home along with the passengers or is she carrying her full compliment home?)

The emergency generators are exactly that .. emergency ... not able to provide sufficient power for all the mechanical systems or propulsion. They only keep the lights and emergency systems running in a situation like the Concordia.

Second these generators run on diesel fuel they have a limited time span. They do not have sufficient fuel in the tanks that feed these generators to keep them powered for anything like the 12 days required to get the ship back to Italy.

In addition to that you have classification society issues, IMO regulations and insurance issues that would never let the ship put to sea without a sustainable system. That's not to say that she is not running on a temporary, jury-rigged solution but it would have to be more than her emergency diesel generators. Based on the assessment that she needs a major shipyard for full repairs which is not available in her current port they could have been permitted to sail with a temporary solution in place but even then the authorities would have to feel comfortable that she could make it to her destination without putting the people aboard in any serious danger.

My guess is exactly that .... they rigged a temporary solution bypassing some of the damaged machinery sufficient to run her to Italy. Once there she will get a full survey and insurance adjustment to determine what can or should be done and if she is a candidate for scrap or sale.

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Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 03-12-2012 01:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by steeplechase:
Costa also has the dreaded things come in three's to deal with or maybe they will get lucky and that counts against Carnival and then they are done.

And when do we start or stop counting?
Don't forget the Costa Classica or the Costa Europa collisions - also we could count the Angelina Lauro or Fulvia/Oslofjord fire.

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SSTRAVELER
First Class Passenger
Member # 15170

posted 03-13-2012 07:42 AM

Don't forget the Bianca C. fire too if you want history.

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Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 03-13-2012 08:01 AM

quote:
Originally posted by SSTRAVELER:
Don't forget the Bianca C. fire too if you want history.

I also forgot Columbus C. .

Seems as if bad things come in groups of seven.

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SSTRAVELER
First Class Passenger
Member # 15170

posted 03-13-2012 09:45 AM

But Costa is up to eight depending on what you count over the sixty years (and that's what we known about, little dings are mostly lost to the marine insurance casualty reports)

Bianca C
Fulvia ex. Oslofjord
Angelina ex. Angelina Lauro
Columbus C.
Costa Europa
Costa Classica
Costa Concordia
Costa Allegra

less disastrous but still an accident the Federico C. went aground in Florida and was stuck there for days

and somewhere deep in the recesses of my memory I think I recall the Carla C and the Cunard Adventurer bumped in San Juan at least once ....

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Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 03-13-2012 10:40 AM

quote:
Originally posted by SSTRAVELER:
But Costa is up to eight [...]

OMG - you are right - so bad things come in groups of eight.

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SSTRAVELER
First Class Passenger
Member # 15170

posted 03-13-2012 12:39 PM

The old saying is that they come in threes .... so maybe Costa is overdue for another one .....

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